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Great Reviews for Medicine Bags and Dog Tags

2010-08-09T11:46:00.006-06:00

My university publisher sends me all the reviews for my book, Medicine Bags and Dog Tags: American Indian Veterans From Colonial Times to the Second Iraq War. So far I've had three reviews.

One was in Indian Country Today by a historical fiction writer. That was rather strange, both praising it as "groundbreaking" and then strongly criticizing it for not having enough about New England Indian veterans. Seemingly he overlooked the pages on one very famous veteran, William Apess, along with a number of other New England Indian veterans scattered throughout the book. Even a glance at the table of contents or index would have given him what he wanted. But I guess there's not much one can do except to hope that in the future Indian Country Today hires reviewers who actually read the whole book, not just skim it.

The second review come the book editor of Native Peoples magazine, Debra Utacia Krol, who is Salinan and Essalen. It was reviewed together with From Warriors to Soldiers, itself a fine book from Gary Robinson and Phil Lucas. I was interviewed along with Robinson on a radio show broadcasting out of New Mexico. I was still working in Indonesia as a Fulbright Scholar at the time, so unfortunately the radio show got cut short by technical difficulties.

Krol's review started off with summaries of both books for four paragraphs, and ends with these nice words of praise.

"These two books should be in the hands of not only Native but non-Indians veterans and service groups, in order to better understand why we serve, fight, and die in the service of the United States, and how best to honor Native soldiers and veterans."

The third review come from a fellow historian who has also written on Native veterans, Thomas Britten. Britten wrote American Indian Veterans of World War One and teaches at the University of Texas at Brownsville. He reviewed the book for the scholarly journal Great Plains Quarterly. After summarizing the book for three paragraphs, Britten offers some nice words as well.

"Although he dismisses previous scholarship as biased and misinformed, Carroll relies almost exclusuvely on secondary sources and oral histories. An interesting and provocative book, Medicine Bags and Dog Tags succeeds in providing an Indian perspective on military service and its effects on cultural renewal and perseverance."

Britten certainly shows himself to be a consummate professional. I criticized him and his own book for relying too much on government documents and not providing enough Native views, and did so in the very book he reviewed. There is a slight inaccuracy in his review. I criticized some previous studies as biased. I praised two very good books by Jere Franco and Tom Holm, namely Crossing the Pond and Strong Hearts Wounded Souls.

I should also report that the book has been a huge success. It has sold about three and a half times the number that academic books usually sell. The last check I did showed it available in at least four hundred libraries, including every military academy. My sister even saw it for sale at the VA Hospital gift shop in Phoenix. I've also gotten some nice emails from people complimenting me and thanking me for writing it.

Comanche Chairman Wallace Coffey: "Yeagley Is a Far Right Racist...I Am Against How Yeagley Thinks....He Does Not Represent the Comanche People"

2009-04-03T19:45:00.003-06:00

The latest from Barbara Duggan, a very helpful and interesting talk with Comanche Tribal Chairman Wallace Coffey.

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I just got off the phone with Chairman Coffey of the Comanche Nation. He was nice enough to talk to me. I told him my name and what tribe I was from and explained to him why I was calling him. I told him what I was doing with regards with me bringing out that Yeagley does not have a famous ancestor Badeagle and about him racism.

I asked Chairman Coffey if he felt the same as Yeagley with regards to his racists views and hatred toward Black people and ndn/black people. He told me that Yeagley is a far right racist Republican and that he is vehemently against how Yeagley thinks and that Yeagley does not represent the Comanche people.
That he has nothing to do with the tribe and that Yeagley had the audacity to run for Chairman. I told him I knew about that and how Yeagley lost.

Chairman Coffey also said that he is not a friend of Yeagleys nor would he want to be. I mentioned to him that I would be there on the 18th along with Beverly Isaacs at that meeting. I asked him about the venture,"COMANCHE MEDIA- A NEW CORPORATION," that Yeagley will be presenting to the tribe for funding. Chairman Coffey told me that the tribe has never funded Yeagley for anything nor would the tribe fund this venture of his or anything in the future.

I told Chairman Coffey that I would see him on April 18th and was looking forward to meeting him. It made me feel good that the Chairman and the tribe is not behind Yeagles. Yeagles might as well forget his proposal with regards to "COMANCHE MEDIA - A NEW CORPORATION". The answer will be NO as far as the tribe giving any money to start it up. I guess he will have to pull money out of his bank to start that venture or Gross can give him the money for it. He can ask his posters on his site to donate to his fund or ask Richard Lawrence Poe and all his other white supremist friends to give him money.

Poor Yeagles, all he has is his pitiful site and the 10 people that post on there and the ONE loser Indian, Gross. He is enrolled on the Comanche tribe but HE HAS NO TRIBE THAT WILL BACK HIM UP FOR ANYTHING. HE HAS NO FAMOUS ANCESTOR. LIKE I SAID ALL HE HAS IS AN ILLUSION OF GRANDEUR AND OF COURSE GROSS BETTY.

Of course, I'm not telling Yeagles not to go; I still want to see him and meet him so I can tell him to his face what I think of him. Hope this makes you feel better Beverly and you might want to thank Chairman Coffey.

Beverly, I hope this makes you feel better. You might want to give Chairman Coffey a phone call and thank him.

Barbara Duggan

Duggan: "Yeagley Grovels Before the White Man...Comanche People Might Silence Yeagley"

2009-04-01T01:38:00.005-06:00

Th latest submission of research by Barbara Duggan. To me the most interesting point is that Yeagley's alleged ancestors are listed as Mexican not Comanche in the Census.

And contrary to the ridiculous claims by Yeagley and Gross, I am not "using" Duggan. Duggan came to me. She is also an adult woman who cannot be manipulated by someone on the other side of the world who has not even met her in person. I don't hold a gun to anyone's head, pay them, or anything else.

Duggan and others come to me because they either agree with me or disagree with the damage done by Yeagley's promotion of white supremacy, or both. I am happy to post the writings and research done by anyone on the topic, and have also done so with Beverly Isaacs, Naiche, Brent Michael Davids, Michelle Shining Elk, and others.

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Bev says,

Have to be careful around medicine dog and you, NO SIGNS, NO INDIANS, NO BLACK, NO MEGAPHONES, NO MEXICANS, NO FLAGS, KEEP YOUR HANDS LOWERED/NO HOLD YOUR HANDS UP.

Bev, that sounds like Hitler and Eva Braun!!! Heil Yeagles - Guten tag you old bag of a betty eva braun!!!

After all medicine dog says all we ever want to do is cry about the past.

THE REASON HE SAYS THIS IS BECAUSE HE IS NOT INDIAN. All the schooling that he brags about cannot teach a white man to be Indian. He has no ancestors that he can be proud of. He can only pay homage to a make belief Comanche hero.

I believe that Yeagley's Mexican ancestors were allotted land similar to the way the Black Cherokee Freedman became members of the Cherokee tribe. These Blacks were not Cherokee; only members of the tribe. A big difference.

So far I have found no Indian ancestry in Yeagley's family. The 1935 Indian Census does show that George (Anaceto) Portillo and his kids were enrolled members. (allotted Mexicans) Tribe: Comanche - Degree of Indian Blood- Mexican.

This eventually allowed good ole Norma and Davy to make up this Badeagle and the distorted history about him. It was done because Yeagley and Norma knew that the white people would listen to him and praise his poor musical talent if he portrayed himself as an Indian with this Comanche hero. Makes for a silly book; but doesn't cut it in the real world.

Yeagley used this made up story to further his voice in politics. Relaying his sick beliefs and racism as A Conservative Comanche Patriot that GROVELS BEFORE THE WHITE MAN AND KISSES THEIR ASSES JUST TO GET SOMEWHERE IN LIFE.

They thought up the name of Badeagle, with all the changing of names to confuse people. They couldn't pick a truly famous Comanche Chief; that would make it too easy for someone to investigate and find out their lies.

To go through all the records; the Indian Census Rolls and the different years of the U.S. Federal Census has taken me many hours; for I had to piece the puzzle together.... names, dates,.... I have just a bit more to write about Yeagley's family history....Then I will put it together in a little booklet and give to the Comanche people I meet when I go to Oklahoma.

I will especially give one to Chairman Coffey; for I think that it is important for the Comanche people to distance themselves as far as they can from Yeagley. IF KENNY FRANKS IS STILL WITH THE MAGAZINE OKLAHOMA; I SHOULD SEND HIM ONE WITH A LETTER TELLING HIM HE NEEDS TO INVESTIGATE A STORY BEFORE HE PRINTS IT. YEAGLEY SHOULD ONLY BE KNOWN FOR HIS RACIST VIEWS AGAINST INDIAN PEOPLE FROM ALL TRIBES. HIS RACIST VIEW AGAINST ANY PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT PEARLY WHTIE.

I cannot brag about all the schooling and degrees like Yeagley does; all his hollow achievements.

I do have achievements; the first Professional Indian Cordovox musician and I won many awards and played to many important people; including different political functions in the state of Illinois. I did not have to lie to people about being Indian; because I was and am Indian. I DON'T HAVE TO LIE ABOUT MY ANCESTRY.

Yeaglely is truly delusional and I think a bit insane. How can a person carry the burden of having to pretend to be something that they are not to so many people for so many years????? I can't even fathom having to do something like that. I am Indian and have never felt a desperation, as Yeagley must have had and still has; to be somebody - A FAKE INDIAN SOMEBODY.

Yeagley reminds me of a true story of a man who pretended to be an Indian in the early 1900'S, Grey Owl. Unlike yeagley though, he at least used his fake personna towards a positive endeavor and did not disgrace the Indian people as Yeagley has.

What's just is bad is that this so called Christian woman, Norma helped Yeagley in this lie. She herself, did not like the Mexican part of her....her ancestors. She herself pretended to be Comanche and have Spanish ancestry. WHAT kind of mother was she to make yeagley also hate who he truly was. Sick, sick woman.

Then Yeagley allows Gross to cut down Mexicans on his site; knowing damn well that is part of his ancestry!!!!! Disgusting!!!! He claims to be a Christian too. All I can say to him is; at the time of his death he better say a prayer for forgiveness FAST before he dies or he will go to his Christian hell. And I hope that his Christian hell will be Yeagley surrounded by thousands of Comanche warriors from the past circling and tauting him for how he used the Comanche people........ FOR ETERNITY!!!

I'm not alone in my fight as I was with Gross. My good FRIEND Beverly and her sisters and whoever other Comanche people that want to know the real Yeagley might silence Yeagley's voice as far as the Comanche tribe. As far as his site, let him live in his illusion.... that's all he has.
But as Crazy Horse said: THE REAL WORLD AWAITS!!!!

Barbara Duggan

The Photo on Yeagley's Site Is NOT Badeagle and Family

2009-03-27T18:13:00.003-06:00

The latest article of research from Barbara Duggan.

I added bold to the most important points.

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IS THAT PICTURE REALLY BADEAGLE AND HIS FAMILY ON YEAGLEY'S BIOGRAPHY OF HIS SO CALLED GREAT-GREAT GRANDFATHER?

The picture of Badeagle and his wife and daughter on Yeagley's site doesn't add up. He says that that picture was taken around 1880 or 1881.

Take a look at this....
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The U.S. Indian Census Schedule 1885-1940 says:

Ko-Dose
DOB - About 1839
Census Date 6/3/1896
Age at time of Census 57

Erk-Say
DOB- About 1873
Census Date 6/3/1896
Age at time of census 23

Pe-Se Vo-Ny - Daughter
DOB - About 1883
Census Date 6/3/1896
Age at time of Census 13

C-Da-Le Ah -Daughter
DOB - About 1889
Census Date 6/3/1896
Age at time of Census 7

Male Child
Census Date 6/3/1896
Age at time of Census 2
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Ko-Dose
DOB 1839
Census Date 6/30/1898
Age at time of Census 59

Erk-Say
DOB - About 1873
Date of Census 1/30/1896
Age at time of Census 25

O-Da-Be-Ah - Daughter
DOB - About 1887
Age at time of Census 11

Adam - Son
DOB - About 1894
Date at time of Census 4

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Ko-Dose Father 62
Erk-Say Wife 28
O-do-be-ah
English Name Honeta Ko-Dose
Age 14
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Yeagley's [alleged] mother says the woman on the left of Badeagle is Erk-Say.

Yeagley says the picture was taken about 1880-1881. If that is so then, Erk-Say, Badeagle's wife would be seven.
Erk-Say was born about 1873.

That picture cannot be a picture of this so called Badeagle and his wife and child. Who are those people in that picture for REAL????

Go to his site and look at the picture of Badeagle and his family and you be the judge.

Barbara Duggan

Barbara Duggan: Why I Know Yeagley's Badeagle Is a Fraud

2009-03-25T19:24:00.004-06:00

The latest writing from Barbara Duggan raises some very interesting questions.

Why is Richard Poe, a rightwinger of mixed Mexican/white ancestry, in control of public information about Yeagley's ancestry?

Why does Poe (perhaps at Yeagely's request) keep such information secret, repeatedly deleting public access to it?

What are Poe and Yeagley hiding?

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WHY I KNOW YEAGLEY'S "BADEAGLE" IS A FRAUD.

I am not an Idealist, a person who represents things as they might or should be rather than as they are.
Yeagley is an Idealist. With his inability to accept himself from which he came; he had to create a fictitious Comanche ancestor "Badeagle" and portray him as some great Comanche leader. Yeagley's has, for many years, ridden on the coattails of this Badeagle to gain recognition, what little fame he has and money.

I am a Realist,a person who accepts the world as it literally is and deals with it accordingly.

I am a Skeptic, one who habitually or instinctively doubts or questions.

When I read the biography of Badeagle on Yeagley's site; my doubt and skepticism about the authenticity of this Badeagle reared up front and center.

When you Google Gabriel Renville; there are many pages that come up with sites that give his biography and true facts of his achievements.
They are not just connected to a website that belongs to me. His words are in books; many different people have written about him that are in no way connected to me.

When you Google Badeagle; all you get is the website of Yeagley and after what his mother and he have written about this Badeagle; you just have to take their word for it that this Badeagle existed.

This Badeagle would have lived the same time as my Great-Great Grandfather but there are no other sites that mention this Badeagle with a biography about him. There are no sites with pictures of him; only one on Yeagley's site. If this Badeagle did all that Yeagley said he did; I'm sure he would have been noteworthy to have been recorded in history as was done with my Great-Great Grandfather.

His family tree is fictitious. Why do I believe this? Because the Yeagley tree on Ancestry.com is a private tree created by Richard Lawrence Poe. Being a private tree; one can put in any name or names to link to someone famous be it real or made up.

George Portillo; a private tree on him; by Richard Lawrence Poe. There is a Portillo tree with George Portillo by other people. Here is one of them.

Name: George Portillo
Home in 1930: Hulen, Cotton, Oklahoma
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Birthplace: Texas
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Juanito
Race: Mexican (Latino)
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

George Portillo 34
Juanito Portillo 33
Virginia Portillo 14
Raymond Portillo 12
Edna M Portillo 10
Norma Portillo 8
Mandy Portillo 5
Earnestine Portillo 3
Louis Carson

Juanita's maiden name was Cerday.

Juanita Cerday
Birth: abt 1896
,,Oklahoma, USA
Death:

Family Members
Parents
Sortero Dela Cerday
1874 – 1946
Ella Gover

Children

Name Sex Birth Death
Living Portillo View Profile

Living Portillo View Profile

Virginia Ella Portillo View Profile F abt 1916
, , Oklahoma, USA

Raymond Clay Portillo View Profile M 17 Nov 1917
,,Oklahoma, USA

Edna M Portillo View Profile F abt 1920
, , Oklahoma, USA

Norma Juanita Portillo View Profile F abt 1922
, , Oklahoma, USA

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Yeagley Family Tree
Personal Member Tree
Unsourced

Name: Norma Juanita Portillo
Birth: 1922 - Oklahoma

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Yeagley Family Tree
Personal Member Tree
Unsourced

Name: George Portillo
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Now when I click on Yeagley family tree it says:
We are currently unable to find the tree you are trying to access. We may be experiencing technical difficulties, or it is possible that the tree owner has removed this tree.
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I copied and saved it when I clicked on it the first time; good thing because now it is gone!!!
A few days ago when I emailed rlawrencepoe it said:

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When someone makes up so many lies; and someone decides to try to find out the truth..... the liars have to scurry and try to erase and hide the truth.

Gotcha Davy boy and Poe!!!!!!! THOUGHT YOU COULD DELETE THE CONTACT INFO BUT I COPIED IT BEFORE YOU COULD.

Yeagley says this about his Uncle:

Take my uncle, Raymond C. Portillo, retired Lieutenant Colonel of the United States Marine Corps and a fullblooded Comanche. He led the 2nd Battalion, 1st Regiment onto the beaches of Ok

Again he lies. Raymond's grandmother (Ella Gover) - mother to Juanita Cerday - Raymond's mother sounds white to me!!!!
Raymond C. Portillo could not be fullblooded. MEXICAN AND WHITE!!
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This is all for now.

Barbara Duggan

Duggan's Challenge to Yeagley: "What Proof Do You Have That Badeagle Is a Relative of Yours?"

2009-03-20T18:40:00.004-06:00

Yet another in the long list of actual American Indians who question or state publicly that Yeagley is not Comanche.

Suzan Harjo
Efiza Jackson
Juanita Pahdopony
Gerald Tieyah
Cinda Hughes
Native American Times (Even facing legal threats, the NAT would only state Yeagley is technically enrolled, pointedly refusing to state that Yeagley is Comanche or that his enrollment is legitimate.)

A member of the Portillo family publicly stated that Yeagley is "such a liar" but was not more specific.

Even Yeagley himself often hints strongly or comes close to admitting he is not Comanche. His own website admits he is not Comanche culturally.

And now Barbara Duggan.

I'm especially interest to see if Yeagley will answer the challenge about the Comanche language.

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IT DOESN'T TAKE A PERSON LONG TO REALIZE WHAT KIND OF SITE YEAGLEY HAS. Yeagley's site has never been a site that Indian people could get together and discuss Indian issues that affect Indians on and off the reservations.

Yeagley's site was and still is for Yeagley only. Look at his made up biography. Hell, my biography is better than his as far as having an ancestor that you can actually look up on the internet and you can see an actual picture of my Great-Great Grandfather, Gabriel Renville. You can read his memoirs about the Dakota Sioux Uprising of 1862 in the book, "Through Dakota Eyes". Gabriel signed the treaty that set up Lake Traverse Reservation. Was born in 1824, died in 1892. With Yeagley, you can only read what he writes about his ancestor Badeagle. You have to just take his word for it.

Now, I ask Yeagley. What proof do you have that Badeagle is a relative of yours? I think that you just picked that name out of your head because BADEAGLE SOUNDS SO COOOOOL. Tell me how do you say or write Badeagle in the Comanche language. My grandfather's Indian name was "Ti Wakan". It means, "Sacred Lodge".

This is what I think about you Yeagley. My guess is that you could not get enough attention with just being a white man with your music; you're voice was not being heard above others. So, you decided to make up this character Badeagle and portray yourself as this Comanche Warrior of modern day. White people just love to see an Indian that has been assimilated into the white culture with just a wee bit of Indianess in them. A CULTURED Indian; yup that's what you are. Trouble is though; you can't stand to be just a white man but then again you can't stand the Indians that you portray. There's some kind of bi-polar activity going on with your mind Yeagley.

Another mistake at trying to be Indian is that you have too much of a pompous attitude with wanting to flaunt how intelligent and worldly you are. You're worldliness comes from reading many books. You are an avid reader; have to be in order to know everything and anything that you write about. BUT, you have not experienced anything you write about in the real world; just in your mind.

No matter how intelligent or gifted an Indian may be; they remain humble. Even in the crafts that are made by our people; be it beadwork or art or whatever; we are taught to leave one mistake. Why? It is to remind us that we are not perfect; a reminder; to keep us humble. YOU DON'T HAVE A HUMBLE BONE IN YOUR BODY.

A person that has to build a website about himself and portray himself other than what he truly is on the internet AND in real life; shows that you need some long and deep psychological therapy in order to learn to be happy to be just yourself.

Your followers do not and would not like an authentic Indian. The people on your site are just as bad as you are. Each one trying to outdo you and others with their pompous writings. It makes me laugh.

Barbara Duggan enrolled member of the Sisseton-Wahpeton Dacotah Sioux Oyate of the Lake Traverse Reservation founded by Gabriel Renville my Great-Great Grandfather.

Hah!!! to you Betty Gross

Barbara Duggan on Betty Ann Gross's Threats to Sue: "Bring It On"

2009-03-18T03:12:00.003-06:00

Much like Yeagley, Betty Ann Gross doesn't know the law and issues empty threats to sue constantly.

Much like Yeagley, Gross does not seem to realize the law is quite clear: Truth is an absolute defense to libel.

I have never told any "libels" about Yeagley at this site, nor elsewhere on the internet, nor in my books, nor in my articles and encyclopedia entries, nor anywhere else I have written that discusses Yeagley. All I have done is report the truth. Mostly I report what others have said about Yeagley, or expose Yeagley's racism for all to see.

That is why Yeagley's threats to my publisher did not even faze the press's lead counsel, who repeatedly said they had no case and we have nothing to worry about. Yeagley's lawyers were quite incompetent. Yeagley first chose a bankruptcy lawyer. Then after that first lawyer admitted in a letter to me he did not know the law, Yeagley went to a corporate law specialist. The second one did not even know the basics about libel law either, nor did either lawyer even read what Yeagley falsely told them was "libel."

Here is a hint for Yeagley, since I know he reads this site regularly: Only racists think it is "libel" to say someone is of a different race than they claim to be. That's been part of the law for many decades.

Here is legal advice for both Yeagley and Gross:

Criticism does not equal libel or defamation.

And when either Duggan, Isaacs, myself, or anyone else expose both of your ugly racism and bigotry and open belief in white supremacy and hatred of Arabs, atheists, Blacks, Iranians, Latinos, Muslims, and yes, American Indians...

...that is not "libel" either. It's called journalism.

Here are Barbara Duggan's challenges to Gross over the past few posts. Her strongest challenges I put in bold.

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So Betty Ann Gross is ranting on Badeagle.com that she is going to take me to court. Well I say to her "BRING IT ON".

Betty, you are a PUBLIC PERSON and being a PUBLIC PERSON everything you say and WRITE and especially,write on the internet, WHERE ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY can read can be used against you.

On Indianz someone wrote you that the internet keeps everything that you write; it never disappears and said that what you write could someday come back and to haunt you.
That day has come.

BETTY, you are a DISGUSTING, ABUSIVE, LYING, EGOMANIAC, BETTER THAN THOU, RACIST, HATEFUL WOMAN.

You say that you are going to have lunch with the Mayors with Yeagley? Thank you for that info for I will make sure they see the real Betty and that I, as a Dakota Sioux, don't want that fake of a man with a racist attitude to have anything to do with Dakota Indians and their issues. You just being associated with him gives you a bad name and I'm sure that if the lawmakers knew the "REAL" Yeagley they wouldn't want to have anything to do with him.

So you've said your goodbyes to Yeagley. WHY? What has he done to you that you want to leave his side?? He has always backed you up on his site. He has always let you insult and belittle any true Indian that came on that site. He gave you full reign to insult and personally attack anyone that said anything that you didn't agree with. He allowed you to attack me, call me crazy, cut down my husband, his culture. You cut down my family on Lake Traverse. You email past posters on Badeagle.com and talk lies about me; cutting me down, my husband,saying that I have desecrated the flag; called it a piece of shit - WHEN I NEVER HAVE.

You say I and my family are a militant group; that we hate America. All you do is F*****G lie over and over again.

What I write is truth. What I have sent to everybody about you is TRUTH! You allowed me to do what I have done by writing it on the internet for everyone to see and now you call FOUL!

GO get your lawyers, you want to take me to court; TAKE ME TO COURT!!!!!! I'll have all the evidence against you. YOU CAN'T LIE YOU'RE WAY OUT OF THIS. YOU LEFT TOO MUCH PROOF THINKING THAT ALL THE ABUSE YOU DID TO OTHER PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET WITH YOUR RACIST REMARKS WOULD NOT COME BACK AT YOU.

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You have been getting Federal Grant money that S. Dakota taxpayers dollars go into so you can PRETEND to be some kind of activist; but ON THE INTERNET, you have shown what a hypocrite you are.

What an egotistical, hateful, racist, materialistic, with a bigger the thou attitude. You act like you are the only person that is helping ndn people in S. Dakota when there are many ndn people that are doing positive things for the ndn people in that state. People on the reservations where the help is needed most. These people don't go bragging all over the internet singing out, How Great Thou Art. Also, I may say, [they] don't have their hate for black people and ndn/black WRITTEN ALL OVER THE INTERNET TO BE USED AGAINST THEM.
If they have such hate as you.

You say on Badeagle today that I have threatened you; WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT I THREATENED YOU? YOU LIE AGAIN. WHY? To get some pity? Or is it because like I said on Badeagle, YOU ARE A COMPULSIVE LIAR!!!

You ask, why didn't I post about people attacking you or whatever? I have copied on paper remarks of many, many posts people wrote on Indianz about they telling you what an awful hateful and sick person you are. That is not attacking. They were telling no to stop it!

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Yeagley…has deleted all that Betty wrote with regards to taking me to court and also her dramatic goodbye to him. Let's face it, Betty will not be able to keep herself from Badeagle.com. Where would she go to brag about herself and her college degree and all her kids degrees etc.etc.etc.? Her egotism is "ad nauseam"….

Anyway Betty; I want you to take me to court. In that way the newspapers will carry the court case against you and I. All of Sioux Falls will get to know what is going on betwween you and I. I will be happy to stand in court and bring all the evidence I have on you with regards to racist rants on the internet against ndn/blacks and the people that constantly had to tell you to stop it and that your hate and racist remarks were totally uncalled for and that they didn't want the likes of you on that site. You say they attacked you? If the people on that site wouldn't have attacked you with regard to your great hatred towards blacks and ndn/blacks; I would have lost all respect for them.

As I said, Betty. Let's get it on.

Your racist and filthy mouth spewing out hate and my truth that you are a racist and that a person working in a public field; should not be getting paid for being a fraud. I will bring all that I have on you. Like I wrote before; you left quite a trail.

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Yeagley deleted what Betty and I wrote in the Scalp Pole Forum; where Betty stated that she was taking me to court and my remark back to her with Bring It On.

…Whatever I write on there about Betty gets deleted. Betty gets pm the board; you see, she's waiting for me to post, and gets her stubby fingers on that delete button; saying, NO, I DON'T LIKE THIS AND THIS AND THAT. This woman, Barbara Duggan, is not praising me. LOL

Now, I really know who is running Yeagley's site. Yeagley, I thought you were this strong Comanche of a man….

He deleted Betty's tearful goodbye to him; what a laugh. Five minutes later she was back on there yapping away. Knew you couldn't stay away from your Savior, I know Betty, withdrawal is hard to get through.

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Look at Yeagleys posters. I would guess about 10 people post there. Look at how many people joined that site and don't post on there; versus the ten that post there. Where did they all go? Why don't they post on his site?

I would guess that most were disgusted of Yeagley and Gross and what his site stood for and the rest were just tired of the bullshyt talk and cutdowns that Yeagley and Gross spew out.

Barbara Duggan

The Campaign Goes On vs White Supremacist Supporter Betty Ann Gross

2009-03-11T18:06:00.004-06:00

Barbara Duggan publicly vows to continue to oppose Betty Ann Gross's racist pretend-civil-rights projects and false public presentations of herself. Little wonder, since Gross has the gall to go to the public signing of a hate crimes bill and presents Yeagley as a role model to young children.

Are the mayors that Gross and Yeagley meet aware of the kind of vicious racist they are meeting? Almost certainly not, since the two hide it when convenient, one face to their white supremacist buddies, another to government officials when they want government money or to enhance their image.

The same question for Gross is also true for Yeagley: He wants government money. That would make him a "socialist" no less than the false accusation being thrown at Obama.

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Dr. Carroll,

I will continue; I will not stop as Betty asks. Tonight, again, I have emailed to all the Republican Senators in S. Dakota this: The first to Senator Bradford...

March 10, 2009

Dear Senator:

This is the real Betty Ann Gross. She is evil, vile, hateful, racist. She puts on one face to you and all you lawmakers in S.Dakota while on the internet she shows her real self. Deep in her heart, she hates black people; especially ndn/black people. She has visciously cut down me, my husband, my family on Lake Traverse. She, herself lives off the reservation, as I do, but I represent my people with truth and dignity on and off the reservation and on the internet. My husband and I started a used car dealership in 1995; called Dakota Auto Sales. I named it after my tribe. People who have met me and that I have dealt with in our business; black, white, asian, ndn/black, Muslim, Middle Eastern etc... I have treated with true and honest repect as they have me. We started our business with our own money; with no help from anyone and I believe that all ndn people in the United States can do anything they choose to do if they have the will to do it....

What I have sent you in this email; is but a small trail of the hatred against blacks and ndn/blks on the internet from Betty Ann Gross. She has left quite a long trail and for many years.

I want her stopped; I want her to stop representing Dakota people in S. Dakota; preferably all Indian people in S. Dakota. I want the lawmakers in S. Dakota to quit helping this disgrace of a woman from the Sisseton-Wahpeton Sioux tribe. I will be going back this weekend and when there; I will be going from district to district; house to house; showing our people what Betty writes and ask them to sign my petition to have her quit representing Dakota people; especially from Lake Traverse. We don't want to be known as haters of black people and ndn/black people. I will post it on the internet on the sites where she spouts her racism and show that we Dakota Sioux don't abide with what Betty Gross has written and continues to write on the internet.

Read Below>>>>>>>

You see I have this vision of the future. Two old women, one from Illinois married to a Persian Atheist and the other an old woman who lives in Sioux Falls were trying to do this and that to one another. One left as a child the other stayed around the dakotas. One day the one from afar got a wild hair up her ars and decided to do something for her people on the reservation. The other seen it all. Lived it. Witnessed all there was to against the helpless Indians. The difference was not age (both old grandmas) nor tribal status (but hatred for one another as Indians). Anyway, when progress was being made for the people the one from afar starting to justify her hatred for the other one and thus sent letters here and there to prominent people in the dakotas. People were stunned. Indian fighting Indian? Should not the Indians stand up for their own kind and assist those in need? They were puzzled and called the one called Thundersky. For Thundersky has many friends in the Dakotas. They understand her writings and her indifference toward the black race. That started way back in the fifties when Blacks stole Indian girls off the reservation. People understood what the message was to be, but yet the one from afar twisted things around and took this and that from white mans world and created chaos. So now I must gather mud and prepare my wide feet to put Barbara in her place. But what thundersky does not tolerate is comanche man backing down and unable to defend himself. Thundersky does not need comanche man or any man to fight her fight.

betty ann [Gross]

Now, I ask ... Do you lawmakers in S. Dakota have the same indifference to the black race? Do you only care about the white race and Betty's Indians? With all the so called friends that Betty says she has that back her up; I feel for the black people and ndn/black people in S. Dakota.

Another of Betty Gross unlady like writing to someone on Indianz.com which she posted on Badeagle.com

You are not man enough over here to fight me are you. Too afraid when you are alone. Say what you said over at Indianz.com about david and I. Too damn chickenshyt you sorry assed bastard. Who is the Gaurdian huh? Looking for information for him huh. Get the hell out of here and you stay the hell away from David. You wimp! You never want to ever meet me in person and you go back and tell that sorry assed of a man called MBT I and my friends will be watching for him. We will see how MBT fairs when the negroes I work with talk to him.

Take your damn prays and get the hell out of here and you leave David alone!

betty ann

MORE OF THE REAL BETTY ANN......

You and your friends remember one thing I have over 800 strong members behind me in Sioux Falls. You remember that bitch! We do not tolerate anyone who hates America, desecrates the American flag and is an atheist. Go back and hug Barbara Duggan. The nerve of you. I will be back over there and I will tear that damn Indianz.com up and this time I will not be alone.

betty ann d on: Feb. 27 2009,17:45: Feb. 27 2009,17:40

Posted on: Mar. 05 2009,18:31
Posted on: May 25 2008,22:22

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We are not that foolish as American Indians/Tribal members to allow a black man of African descent and a dirty white trash woman lead us into the future. We are not that foolish. A Negroe is underneath the foot of the Indian, we know that. He is trash.

I have photos showing the enormous increase in the numbers of white females here in Sioux Falls that have practically ran searching for a Negroe to cradle. Playing like they have a piece of Barack Obama. At the first gathering of the opening of the Barack headquarters many men from Kenya, Ethiopa, Somolia were all standing there black as hell with white women, smiling cheesey, yet talked like Ubangis with chap lips. And at their sides were beautiful white wives and mixed blood children.

It is a blessing that many white and Indian females are not falling for this rush to claim a Negroe male...sorta like the opening up of land back in the day. Everyone wanted land! Now everyone wants a male Negroe. The American dream now. Once it was the American Pie, but not anymore. No sirrreee.

Betty AnnThundersky

MORE....... from her on Badeagle.com

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Posted on: Feb. 25 2009,17:04

Posted - 02/28/2009 : 12:53:14 PM

I would like to hear from you Barbara and your inner desire as a Indian woman to see how you would open and handle a Black Civil Rights Office primarily for blacks Oh and for others with black blood.

Be brief and professional in your responses. How would you get started and where would your experience come from.

It is my understanding that you hold the Negroe sacred to your heart. So please respond. Where would you start one, goals, objects and outcome.

betty ann
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Joined: Jul. 2007
Posted on: Feb. 26 2009,09:18
yep Barbara...if you are not willing to intermarry and make Indian blood quotas include the one drop rule and call your children Afro-Indian then you are Racist Indian Supremist...just like Betty Ann...

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This person posted this on Indianz.com. He is but one person that has written about this and who have called me and emailed me to stop Betty Ann Gross. She has hurt and humilated many, many people, ndn women, men on the internet from all Indian Nations.

Posted - 02/28/2009 : 12:53:14 PM

Have you read the fighting going on at Badeagle? A sioux lady by the name of Barbra Duggan is giving betty ann(yeagleys' sioux dog) a good licking, and I hope she goes thru with her issues against betty ann racists rants and being a part of the Civil Rights Office of the Dakotas. Yeagley is supposed to be representing the Comanches in this Grand Opening! I hope she looks into betty anns' background and I hope she digs into how much money betty ann spends on having yeagley visit her for her own personal reasons, because he DOES NOT REPRESENT THE COMANCHE IN OKLAHOMA WHEN IT COMES TO RACIAL ISSUES!!!!!!!

All one has to do is pull up his racists rants against our new President Obama. That is recently, betty ann says they have been working on this opening for four years, well why did these two clean up their racists rants for the Grand Opening????? I wish Barbra Duggan well, when reading the uglyness of betty ann to her own sioux relation, I could not help but think dejavu!...It does not matter what Nation you are, her jealousy holds no bounds, when it comes to bragging on herself and her Comanche Warrior Mascot, yeagley. Good luck to Barbra Duggan
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I will end with this. Any lawmaker in S. Dakota from any city should not back Betty Ann Gross for anything she proposes to do for ndn people in Sioux Falls or anywhere in S. Dakota. She is not worthy of the praise you lawmakers give her.

Barbara Duggan

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What I am doing is not Indian against Indians but trying to right the wrong that Betty Ann Gross has done for many years to many people and continues to do so today. I won't quit; until she stops.

Betty Ann Gross Admits Failure in Her Campaign to "Stop the Blacks and Foreigners"

2009-03-10T03:41:00.003-06:00

White supremacist supporter/pretend civil rights activist Betty Ann Gross admitted defeat publicly. While she gives me some credit for having stopped her, I'd say far more credit goes to Barabara Duggan for her tireless work.

And while Gross claims closing the office was done "out of respect for Yeagley," it's far more likely Yeagley realized that Gross's constant racist attacks were exposing him and his forum as white supremacist. There are so many racist outbursts by Gross at badeagle.com that Yeagley probably wasn't able to delete them all.

True to form, Gross claims a Vast Nonwhite Conspiracy stopped her, by atheists, Middle Easterners, Muslims, "Negroes," and of course Indians who want to "oppress whites."

An interesting point: Since Gross wanted to get money from the government for her phony "civil rights office," does that make her a "socialist"? Just like the false accusation being thrown at Obama by her rightwing buddies?

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This has turned into a terrible mess here in the Dakotas and on the internet with Al Carroll. Indians have been taught to hate other Indians especially in their own tribes and reservations.

Out of respect for Dr. Yeagley and the Sioux people we will not open the Center in April. Instead we are going to use the space for a for profit business. That would be better financially. I have a master of science degree and I and others will share the office. This is probably a heavy relief off of me also. The work in activism and civil rights is tiring....

There is so many beautiful American Indians here in the Dakotas and I do not want others to think that all of us are like Indianz.com, Barbara and I. There are young sacred youthful tribal members who need better leadership and to move away from attacks and hatred. I did my share in trying to stop the blacks from moving into Indian country along with the foreigners and others, but they are going there anyway so I am letting it go.

So thanks Barbara Izada, I am not opening the Office so stop with the attacks on others. There is no need to go that route. You win. Open your Muslim Atheist Black Civil Rights Office now. We will not bother to even watch you....

betty ann owen-gross

Betty Ann Gross In Her Own Words: "Indians Would Not Know How to Handle Freedom"

2009-03-06T03:23:00.002-06:00

Barbara Duggan has collected a series of quotes from Betty Ann Gross. Here are her words in all their ugliness, with some pretty basic themes.

In Gross's (and Yeagley's) world:

To disagree with them makes you "anti American."

"Negroes," are dangerous.

And AIM and any traditionals who stand up to the likes of Gross and Yeagley are "oppressing whites."

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This was posted on Badeagle.com:

"I wish Barbara Izada and her Atheist Persian Muslim well in Indian Country. With the help of other anti-American groups and people who despises America and white America and embrace the Negroe we will probably close the Office....

Indians primarily the Sioux and I am sure there are more out there, would not know how to handle freedom.

....Thanks Barbara Duggan-Izada, Darlene Pipeboy, Barbara Ryan and Rose Seaboy. You continue you on with your hate of white America and the oppressing and militant ways of AIM. You are free now to open your Atheist Muslim and Negroe Civil Rights Office in the Dakotas.

betty ann

What Betty sent to Naiche and Naiche printed it on IndianZ.com
Posted - 02/28/2009 : 4:24:34 PM
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Betty continues to say:
You and your family support an atheist and hater of America. We are America. This is our land....I will not allow blacks to take over our doings.

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From me:
Today I emailed all the Senators in S. Dakota regarding Betty Gross that were at the 84th Legislative Session on Feb.10, 2009 where Betty Gross with the help of Senator Jim Bradford presented SB156 regarding hate crimes. Can you believe this? Betty was there talking about hate crimes and racial slurs about ndns and blacks? WHAT A HYPOCRITE!! I have also emailed the people that opposed the bill at that meeting.

THE BILL WAS KILLED ANYWAY.

Whatever, Betty can email and talk to any people on Indianz.com. IF anyone wants to believe this racist, lying woman then they can believe that Betty Gross loves the black and black/ndn people and is not a racist.

She has called me crazy, etc. etc. etc. She's called many people crazy and sick and that shows me that she is delusional. She and Yeagley are the only sane ones and everybody else are insane; Live on Betty but the men with the nets are closing in on you. Step back real far!

My Aunt Darlene told me today that you are walking on a path of destruction and I am going to make sure you stay on that path.

Barbara Duggan

Barbara Duggan Takes On Betty Ann Gross Yet Again

2009-03-05T01:46:00.002-06:00

In her own words, a letter to South Dakota State Senator Jim Bradford.

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I am enclosing an email that I sent to Senator Jim Bradford of S. Dakota.

As I said, I will not stop until the true Betty Ann Gross is revealed to lawmakers in S. Dakota and on our reservation.

Your message was sent to Jim Bradford

Hello,

My name is Barbara Duggan and I am an enrolled member of the Sisseton-Wahpeton Dakota Sioux Tribe of Lake Traverse.

I am writing regarding Betty Ann Gross. The Betty Gross that attended the 84th Legislative Session on Tuesday, February 10th, 2009 with regards to SB156 -revise the scope of certain provisions related to hate crimes.

I live in Belleville, Illinois but go back often to Lake Traverse to visit family. In fact I will be going there next week.

I listened to the session over the internet and my stomach turned when I heard Betty representing our people from Lake Traverse and with regards to racial slurs against Indian people. At the meeting she advocated for the Indians and the Blacks when in fact she is a hater of black people and Indian people with black ancestry.

This Betty Ann Gross has been posting on the internet stating her hate for black people for years. She is a member of Badeagle.com, as site run by David Yeagley, claiming he is of Commance blood. He is not ndn, only adopted by a Commance woman. On this badeagle site, many Indians have been cut and sliced and chewed up by Betty Ann Gross and humiliated by her for not believing that "negroes" as Betty and David Yeagley say on his site are beneath all people.

I have made copies of all that Betty Ann Gross talked about on that site. David Yeagley at Badeagle.com deleted all the trash Betty talked to but I copied all of it before he did.

I have mailed the editor of the Sota Iya ye Yapi Indian newspaper and sent copies of all of Betty's racist remarks against blacks. This Betty Ann Gross, aka bag, as the members called her on Indianz.com has denied to the editor that someone is impersonating her and slandering her and I included in my letter a copy of Betty Ann Gross showing her affilitation to the Sissetonn-Wahpeton Sioux Tribe for all to see on Indianz.com and the internet.

I and my family and the Sota paper do not feel as Betty Gross does with regards this deep seeded hatred for black people and indians with black ancestry. We have them on our reservation and they are as equal as Indians that don't have black ancestry.

Betty Ann Gross is one way towards the white people; putting on a face as an activist for Indian people and against discrimination against our people, including racial slurs that include the "Squaw" word but then she turns around and calls black people niggers.

Many people did not know this side of Betty Ann Gross for she has hidden it from our tribe and can because she lives off the reservation in Sioux Falls.

When I go back next week; I will be taking all that Betty has written on the Internet regarding her hate for Black people and to to the different districts, the homes and asking our people if they are in alliance with Betty's hate.
I will have them sign a petition that Betty Ann Gross should not be representing Indian people; especially Dakota people from Lake Traverse and giving Indian people of all nations a bad name.

I told Betty that she has left a trail on the interent and if she is planning to run an Office of the Dakota Civil Rights in Sioux Falls; that civil rights if for all people and not just indians and that a person like her should not be in charge of anything doing with civil rights with her hate.

I am asking you to not help this Betty Ann Gross, from Sioux Falls, S. Dakota with any help she asks of you. She should not be allowed to receive and grant money for anything she purposes to do. Grant money should be given to good people, whether white, black ,red or yellow - only if they have a good heart that wants to help all races no matter what color they are.

I will be mailing to your office, all that Betty Ann Gross has stated on the internet from Indianz.com and Badeagle.com.

As I said I live in Belleville, Illinois and married to an Iranian that has been her since he was 18 and an American Citizen. He is an engineer and a very good man as his family in Iran are. This Betty Ann Gross cuts down my husband, his culture and his people in Iran. I will include that in the letter I send you.

Betty Ann Gross is hated by many ndn people. Some have called me from Oklahoma, St. Louis, Mo. and have emailed me regarding Betty Ann Gross and are happy that I am working at getting Betty to cease and desist her hatred for black and writing all over the internet where anybody and everybody can read it. People who read what she writes will think that all Indian people feel as she does and we don't. She is only one Indain woman; but a vile, foul mouthed racist.

I would like a reply back from you or your office. You have my email address - my phone number is 618-741-4345.

We live in a town of 68,000 people. All cultures. I will be writing the Belleville News Democrat with regards to this matter. I will write about how one Indian woman can fool the white people and politicians to thinking that she is a good woman; as you all seem to think.

I need to get out to black people that we Indians do not hate them and have this tremendous hatred towards them as Betty Ann Gross, a member of our tribe does and WE do not think as she does.

Anyway. I am on a crusade to stop this woman. It will be time consuming and costly but if you believe that a person is evil and hateful and from your people; one needs to do this. I need to expose this Betty Ann Gross for what she really is.

Barbara Duggan

Some things Betty Ann Gross has said on Indianz.com
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Sorry Grassdancer, it tis the wild Sioux blood in me! Meet me in person sometime. Then you will know why I can manipulate the white man toward my beliefs and why Indians fear to meet me in person. I am what I am..polite and considerate and deadly.

Betty Ann Gross
Advanced Member

Ethiopia
3449 Posts
Posted - 01/29/2007 : 1:17:29 PM
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Sorry Grassdancer, it tis the wild Sioux blood in me! Meet me in person sometime. Then you will know why I can manipulate the white man toward my beliefs and why Indians fear to meet me in person. I am what I am..polite and considerate and deadly.

Posted - 01/29/2007 : 12:58:33 PM
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Okay I will try again...She is a nygga, you hear that a nygga.

Does your burnt offering smell nearly as bad as you being a N?

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Edited by - Betty Ann Gross on 01/29/2007 1:03:55 PM

This is but a few of Betty Ann Gross's remarks on the internet on Indianz.com. On that site she posts her affiliation to our tribe; Sisseton-Wahpeton Sioux Tribe.

Betty Gross has been banned from that site and I have proof that this Betty Ann Gross is the woman same that has talked to you and many other lawmakers. People to back me up.

I will be sending you more of the real Betty Ann Gross.

If I do not hear back from somebody, I would prefer you -
Senator. After all you were at that meeting representing Betty Gross and I feel that I should have the same courtesy.
If no reply; then I will believe that the lawmakers in S. Dakota approve of what Betty Ann Gross is doing and what shehas done to make my people look bad. That would be a true injustice to black people all over the United States.

Betty Ann Gross Tries to Lie, Tries to Hide...But Fails

2009-03-04T01:49:00.002-06:00

The latest from Barbara Duggan.

I should also mention that Ms. Duggan is welcome to use any posts here at www.davidyeagley.org. The ones where Gross claims Jesus is blond and blue eyed, and where she publicly defended the Neo Nazi skinhead group Storm Front, probably are the most important.

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Yeagley has conveniently deleted the ugly posts that Betty Gross wrote on Badeagle. No matter, I copied everything before they did; regarding both of our posts. All the ugliness of Betty Gross on paper.

She is no longer able to meet me this weekend because she says she will be meeting with lawmakers in Pierre, S. Dakota. How convenient for her. I say that she has made up this excuse because she is afraid to meet me. Because she cannot fool me as she has so many other people. She knows that she cannot deny the fact that she posted on Indianz.com her hate for black people and Indians with black ancestry and that she would join the KKK or Aryan group if she were not Indian. She told the editor of the Sota that someone had stolen her name and posted those remarks to slander her. WHAT A LIE. The editor emailed me back with this:
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I have spoken with Betty Ann and she has not made this or other derogatory statements. Someone is using her name and attributing racial statements to her that she has never made.

C.D. Floro
Sota Editor
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Barbara:

These "posts" are not from Betty Ann Gross, as you suggest.

Someone is misleading you in order to slander Betty Ann.

C.D. Floro
Sota Editor
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I wrote in my letter that I mailed to the Editor yesterday along with proof that this BETTY ANN is the BETTY ANN that denies isn't her. I also sent copies of the posts written by BETTY ANN stating on Indianz.com
her tribal affiliation with the Sisseton-Wahpeton Sioux Tribe.

I also told her that IF someone is using Betty's name and slandering her; then WHY did Betty Ann Gross not contact the administrator at Indianz.com and find out who was impersonating her. I sure would, if someone was using my name. I would find this person and sue them for Defamation of Character. But Betty didn't. Why? Because, the Betty Ann that says, this person is slandering her; IS HERSELF!!!

LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE. She has to lie, to our people, that it is not her because she does not want our people to know this side of her.

I mailed all that I have on Betty Gross through the trail she has left on the internet; to the editor of the Sota. As I will to many other people and insist that they do not help this woman in any endeavor to help Dakota people. Including the lawmakers of South Dakota.

I have included the posts saying the reason she did not want to meet my at my Aunts house was because it stinks and is dirty and bums are there.

My Aunt keeps her house as clean as any other Indian on Lake Traverse. I have been in many. Though the houses are sad looking our people keep the inside as clean as anyone else. I do not see my people as bums. With this statement. BETTY ANN GROSS has shown what she thinks of our people on our reservation. To her they are dirty, stinky and bums.

Oh yes, I am taking many copies of Betty's statements with me this weekend or the following to show my relatives and other Indian people how she feels.

And Betty, since you visit this blog. I might not make it back this weekend but the following; so call me; I gave you my home number and we can set up another time for then!!! If you lost it; here it is again. I am not afraid to post it or my regular email address.

618-741-4345
EMAIL ADDRESS
Dacotahsioux0702@aol.com

I don't have to be afraid of who I am or what I say about my people as you do and lie and say that Dacotahsioux on the internet is not me. You are a sad person Betty.

Barbara Duggan

Betty Ann Gross Must Be Stopped

2009-03-03T04:31:00.003-06:00

Yeagley's financial backer Betty Ann Gross has said publicly she will, of all things, be opening a so-called "Dakota Civil Rights Office."

No doubt she and Yeagley hope she will do as much damage as possible, promoting racism under the guise of "civil rights." Her hatred of Blacks is well documented, including her desire to commit mass murder against them. So is her love of white supremacists, and not just Yeagley. Gross has publicly said she believed Jesus was blond and blue eyed and publicly defended Storm Front, a Neo Nazi skinhead organization. (Yeagley also has posted articles on that site run by his fellow white supremacists.)

Or perhaps Gross and Yeagley simply want to promote themselves as much as possible, to win favor from other members of the white racist far right wing they are part of, or in Gross's case, act as a token minority and mascot for.

Luckily, Gross is being strongly opposed, especially by Dakota, Lakota, and Nakota people.

Once again, from Betty Ann Dugan, who in turn posts a letter from a D/L/Nakota newspaper editor.

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This is the response I received from the email I sent to the editor of the Sota Iya Ye Yapi newspaper read by our people on the rez.
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I have known Betty Gross for many years, and am a friend of her son.

I am shocked at what I am reading and have trouble believing it came from her.

If these are truly her words, I am really sorry to hear them.

This is NOT the sentiment of the Sisseton-Wahpeton Oyate as I know them.

C.D. Floro
Sota Editor

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When I go to Sisseton next weekend I will show her those words she wrote and other comments that she has written about Black people on Badeagle.com.

I did email her back and told to to go to badeagle.com where she can read for herself what Betty Ann Gross has said to me with regards to her hatred of blacks and also her degrading words she has said about my husband, who is Iranian.

This is just the start.

Barbara Ann Duggan

Yeagley's Sugar Mama Betty Ann Gross: "I Hate Nyggers...I Would Join the KKK and Hunt Them Down, Yes I Would"

2009-02-26T02:40:00.005-06:00

Those who have read this website before may recall one of Yeagley's big financial supporters is a deranged racist named Betty Ann Gross, who uses money from an insurance settlement to back Yeagley.

This forum's last article on Yeagley's call for the murder of President Obama drew this comment from a Dakota strongly opposed to Betty Ann Gross's support, both financial and with words of racism, for white supremacist David Yeagley.

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I am an enrolled member of the Sisseton-Wahpeton Dakota Sioux tribe the same as Betty Ann Gross on Lake Traverse reservation in S. Dakota. I do not live on the rez but live in Illinois. I go back often to visit my family as I will be going next weekend for a visit. I have challenged Betty recently on Badeagle.com with regards to her hate for black people. Her racist slurs. She is not a spokesperson for the Dakota people on Lake Traverse. We have enrolled members that are Native American Indian and black. I have a niece that is half black and half Dakota.

I have started writing to different agencies and departments including the the Human Relations Committee in Sioux Falls, S. Dakota where she states on Badeagle.com that she is opening a Dakota Civil Rights Office in April. I have emailed them her racists remarks and have asked them to get back with me with regards to my request that she not be involved with any Civil Rights group to help Native American Indians with regards to discrimination when she herself a vehementally hates another minority group. Civil Rights is for everyone not just nds. I told them that she [Betty Ann Gross] does not represent me or Native American with her hatred but when readers read her remarks whether they be white, black or ndn they will think that all ndns have this hatred too.

I am requesting any help from people on this site to get this woman to quiet her mouth. I have several more people to email. I have saved all her hateful remarks on my computer and if she is going to work for the Civil Rights Office then she is a public person and anything she writes on the internet can be used against her.

I've talked to ndn people on my reservation and they say that she is a crazy woman and many ndns on the Indianz.com also agree she is a very hateful woman and she has been barred from that site.

Just wanted to tell people on this blog what I am doing. And Bevery Isaac (Comanchemoon); I respect you very much.

So far, Yeagley has not barred me from posting on his site. Today I posted my intent to Betty on his site. Have not gone back to visit it because I am doing what I need to do away from that site. I posted this today what Betty has said on Indianz.com

Betty Ann Gross
Advanced Member

Posted - 01/06/2006 : 9:02:48 PM

"I cannot tell you who to hate or love. That is an individual choice and for me I hate nyggers with such a strong force that if I were non-native I would join a group like the KKK or Aryans and hunt them down, yes I would."

-Betty Ann [Gross]

Whether she said this then, yesterday or today... she still posts her hate for blacks on Badeagle.com - if she is going to hold a public postion - as with the Civil Rights Group - this cannot be tolerated.

Barbara Ann Duggan

Yeagley Admits (Kind of) Rejection by Comanche Council and Chairman

2009-02-23T02:07:00.002-06:00

At his white supremacist and apple Indian forum, badeagle.com, Yeagley admitted in his thread on the film Daughter of Dawn what many Comanche already knew:

The Comanche Tribal Council and Tribal Chairman Wallace Coffey completely rejected him and his bid to weasel money out of them.

They join a long line of Comanche people and institutions who want nothing to do with Yeagley or his projects:

Comanche Business Committee
Comanche Nation Constitution Committee
Comanche Nation College (which rejected him twice)
Comanche Nation Film Festival
Comanche Nation Museum

And of course the Comanche Nation as a whole roundly rejected him in a special election for Vice President. Yeagley came in an extremely distant fourth out of four candidates, getting only an incredibly tiny one percent of registered voters.

Yeagley had been begging the Comanche Tribal Council and Chairman for months to pay him for his composing on the old silent film "Daughter of Dawn". It's not known if the Oklahoma Historical Society actually paid him for his work, since the OHS version of the film faces legal issues. Yeagley obtained the composing job because of libel against another composer.

Yeagley has been shamelessly brown nosing Wallace Coffey for months, a complete turn around of his bitter criticism of him. Coffey had publicly praised and saluted actor Rudy Youngblood, long well known in the Comanche community and respected by others on the powwow circuit, after Yeagley led a failed race-baiting campaign accusing Youngblood of having Black ancestry.

The council put off seeing Yeagley til the very end of business. (Perhaps even Yeagley could have realized at that point they wanted nothing to do with him.) and then rejected him. Yeagley, who once was a fixture at council meetings despite being regarded as a joke, has not been back to the council since.

As of now, the film has no score recorded, and no Comanches (outside of the either very naive or deliberately blind Quanah Tachawickah) want anything to do with Yeagley.

Did Yeagley Call for the Murder of Barack Obama?

2009-01-19T21:26:00.002-06:00

A recent comment left at the site points out that Yeagley practically calls for the assassination of incoming President Obama.

Does Yeagley know something about what his fellow white supremacists may be planning?

Does the Secret Service know about this?

The comment left here describes Yeagley's latest typically racist rant. The relevant comments about Yeagley calling for the murder of Obama are highlighted.

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I have NEVER, NEVER viewed his site where he has so little to say, while his past remarks of Michelle and Obama are written for all to see!

1. Trying to spread lies about Obama being Homosexual and doing drugs did not take off, did it?
2. "Black style Ghetto" behavior in White House, just because Michell and Barrack greeted each other lovingly with a cute fist bump!
3. Michelle is quintessentially hypocritical: the level of pretense of those who would fein elitism is egregorous and insufferable.
4. Barrack is Marxist, anything he says that remotely rsembles intelligence is written for him by Marxists.
5. In the case of the Obamas, one thing is clear: THE BLACKING OF AMERICA!
6. Obamas degrades the very idea of the White House!
7. Staking claim to the White House in the name of Race is ignorance, misconception, selfishness, even narcissism, NOTHING COULD BE MORE DENIGRATING!
8. The Obamas represent Racial manipulation, not unity, not harmony, not equality just manipulation for Power, A change for the Worse. Its about personal vindiction of Barrock and Michelle.

This one is strange....."Well personally I don't think the Obamas' are going to get anywhere near the White House," nearly a threat! I would think.

Here we are one day away from the Newly Elected President Obama taking over and yeagley is sittin in his lonely house crumbling around, wailing, and making himself sick him while White America and Black and Brown and Yellow and Off/White which is all races mixed with the mighty White, rejoices in the Victory for a CHANGE, IT'S A "WE" COUNTRY, Yeagley, NOT A WHITE COUNTRY!!!WEECHA!

Yeagley makes a point..that "you do not attack the Host" on his site,(unless you are an Honorable Whitey) leaving none other than ass kissers to post! When your Indian and he finially finds out...he attacks and demands your personal info, then he deletes you, just because you are Indian...the whites can disagree with him and he Honors them...

Yeagley's Membership in the White Boy Society

2009-01-08T20:56:00.002-06:00

Bevery Isaac, a TRUE Comanche, once against tears apart white-supremacist-posing-as- part-Comanche David Yeagley.

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http://community.livejournal.com/craobh_caorann/1724.html#comments

Was just reading again and came upon another group that Yeagley is published on, The "White Boy Society", imagine that. Membership is Any White Male, this was a link off of the John Birch Society/David Yeagley.

Yeagley has NEVER apologized to the Comanche People for his involvement in this Danish Doc. If he ever runs again for any position, I will make sure ALL his involvement with these people are brought forward. He will say he is attending these meetings because he wants to keep on top of the "Enemy", or some such nonsense. He has nothing but false public praises for the Comanche Chairman and Tribal Administrator on his site at this time, yet still puts the Indian People as a whole on the bottom of the barrel. These men are just too busy to pay him attention, but they do need to know of his devious anti-Indian involvements. I believe the Chairman is aware of them, in fact I know he is!

Also if he is a member of the White Boy Society, their stance "WE MUST SECURE THE EXISTENCE OF THE WHITE PEOPLE AND FUTURE FOR WHITE CHILDREN" that in itself is a racist view by any standards. If in fact yeagley believes in the Comanche People, why does he not create for all to see and join in the "COMANCHE INDIAN BOY SOCIETY"?

I know why, because he is not really into being Indian at all, just into using the claim to a little blood quantum he can derive finances from. Why should he form a club for the Indians, it would be too much work and a waste of his precious white time, besides that he would have to rub shoulders and shake hands with the dirty, pitiful, beasty boring brown people, malcontent, lying, alcholic, bottom of the barrel Indian men, people who are not worthy of speaking up for themselves because all we do is whine, professional mourners, and professional protestors.

Yes you people who read this, these are David Yeagleys' own words against his own Indian People and there are a lot more negative statements. He rarely makes a positve statement for anyone other that his white supremacist friends.

He believes that because the Native American speaks up, we are professional protesters and anti-American. All the hate has been overcome a long time ago, but because we choose to speak up and out does not make us Anti-American. Every person living in America has Freedom of Expression. We don't consider ourselves Victims, but he constantly uses that to describe our Freedom of Expression. We are learning our past. I call that taking responsibilty, educating yourself for your children, grandchildren for the next seven generations, if not us who will do it using the Truth the Indian Way, the American Indian Way!

The Indian Wars are Past, we learned how to eat dirt and survive, we did not starve, we are still here, the Indian Wars are Past.....or are they?

Yeagley assumes the responsibilty that no one gave him, to speak for the Comanche People, to compare Columbus with the Comanche People, to be an activist in our Name. No one gave him that postion, no person can do that for a Tribe, but the Tribal Chairman, yeagley assumed too much, but that is his arrogant, narcissistic, self rightious White Way!

Comanchemoon

It's Official: Only White Supremacists and "Specially Approved" Indians Allowed on Badeagle.com

2008-11-18T03:17:00.004-06:00

Once upon a time, Yeagley allowed American Indians who disagreed with him (in other words, 99.9999% of all Natives) on his forum, but only if they agreed to be kept segregated and submit to being abused by the white racists who dominate Badeagle.com.

Now, even that has changed. One resourceful Native critic after another outargued the Wannabe Fuerher Yeagley and His Stormtroopers. So to avoid their continuing humilation, Yeagley has a new and openly racist policy.

American Indians are now presumed guilty and racially profiled.

From Beverly Isaacs (Comanche Moon)

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It has happened, Yeagley bans another Indian.

Indy was very level headed and stood up to Yeagley, and tried to tame a white supremacist named White Anglo Saxon, or something like that....but I am beginning to think these made up names are actually Yeagley himself.

Yep, white anglo denegrates the Indian just as Yeagley does and Yeagley says nothing. When Indy calls him on this... Yeagley still says nothing. White anglo continues to taunt childish rants against Indy and cheers the decision and Yeagley says nothing, making a decision saying any Indian...(he says Indian like its a dirty word) now has to e-mail him personally and identify himself.

Its a damn shame how he keeps treating the Real Indian with contempt yet uses aliases to fuss with them. Thing is, I think there are just one or two real Indians who even look in on this site, all his play acting is for his white audience. Dumbing down the Indians for his chosen people, and to satisfy his own hatred for us real Indians, who care to keep on top!

I am beginning to see this whole forum/blog as a funny book, its getting tedious even to read it... though, we have to keep on top of him because he is the enemy to ALL NATIONS...

Comanchemoon

Yeagley Exposed and Humiliated On His Own Forum

2008-11-01T20:45:00.003-06:00

Fresh off his latest rejection by Native and Comanches in particular (at the Comanche Nation College and Film Festival), Yeagley was bluntly told on his own forum that:

1. Yeagley, you are not Indian, and you don't fool anyone.
2. Yeagley, you don't represent Indian opinion because you're an extremist out of touch with Indians and Indian views.
3. Yeagley, you make a fool of yourself every time you try to pretend otherwise.

Brent Michael Davids wrote this first article, where he quotes an Indian poster telling Yeagley off.

Then Beverly Isaac (Comanche Moon)commented on the article, pointing out more of Yeagley's devious tactics, lies, and racism.

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http://badeagledotorg.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-direction.html#links

A New Direction
from the Bad Eagle blog

Do I hear the sounds of kicking and whining over at Yeagley’s blog? I think I do! As a devout white supremacist, the piano doctor has his proverbial hands full with both a highly-probable black presidential win and the crumbling of the crony capitalist system he has been supporting with his neocon agenda. But while Yeagley whines on about “socialism” and “blackness” ruining America, the real American patriots are starting to move the country in a new direction — a better direction — toward the Common Good. And, although Yeagley continues his “poor me” mentality, commentators over at his blog have had enough of his whining too:

OCTOBER 30 —
“No responses. No one cares [about] your opinion Yeagley. Most importantly Indian people do not care. I may be one of 3 who view this site and it's only to monitor you. Also you should stop attempting to align yourself with Indian thought. It's embarrassing to read, even for me. Everyone who's Indian knows you are not even near the mainstream of Indian thought, much less your questionable Indian credentials... You are clearly out of your league and over your head every time you comment on Native issues.”

YEAGLEY — "Now, as one who recently supported the Comanche Nation's preservation of Medicine Bluff, I am certainly sensitive to the plight of Indians who are trying to preserve what little we have left. However, there has to be some common sense here. We simply cannot claim back every inch of American soil--even though we undoubtedly have the bones of our ancestors in every inch."

OCTOBER 31 — “Your attempt to now present yourself as some kind of staunch advocate regarding Indians and sacred sites is pretty damn disengenous. Oh, those Comanche Bluffs were worthy of protection but Mt. Graham is suspect? Do you see how absurd your statement is here? You're a johnny-come lately to most things that directly involve Indian peoples. Because you attended the a few days court hearings regarding the Comanches, that makes you some sort of unbiased, purely objective commentator on the many other, just as important sites under attack? Note that I am not diminishing the Comanche Nation's victory here either, just your own chauvanism.”

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Bevery Isaac's comment-

I thought that was pretty funny, when he could not contain himself and proceeded to get a thrill at bashing the Indians input again, while praising Ecology's, even when Ecology called the Indians "bloated and drunk". WOW!

What happened to his Sioux dog(Betty Ann Gross)? Now he has Ecology! Ecology should watch out...Betty Ann is very jealous of [any] man or woman who gives Yeagley any attention. Did I read someplace that Betty Ann may be part black? Did Yeagley throw her away when he found out? She always comes back to help him when he gets backed into the corner, his own doing!

Naiche is giving it to yoogles on Indianz.com. Go Naiche!!

The best History lesson Yeagley ever received was when he sat in court for the 3-4 days secretly taking notes to report on his blog of the Medicine Bluff Sacred Site. He never learned so much about the Comanche Nation as he did then. Of course he will claim he knew it all.

He claims to be indulging the Indians input when in fact it is entrapment...thats his M.O.

He starts the arguments by berating a respected strong Indian woman, Susan Harjo, then stands aside and lets the shit hit the fan, then calls the Indians low down, angry, mad and ugly and gives whitey a free pass calling it "HUMOR".

He states ugly rants, then after his say, "thats not important".

He states "Can't we get along? Ha,ha,h!"

He can't get along with anyone unless they are drunk or homeless, not in their right state of mind....you know the schizophrenic type! In need of psychiatric counseling....BAG!

Oh yes...right now he is writhing in his wittle seat, so excited and thrilled to be receiving attention once again.

Trouble is, he relentlessly disrespects the Native American man or Woman with his ugly remarks....seems to keep him alive! Something is very Wrong in that!

CM

Comanche Nation College and Film Festival Shuns Yeagley, Embraces His Critics

2008-10-17T21:03:00.003-06:00

Much like Yeagley has been shunned by the Comanche Nation tribal government, Business Committee, Constitution Committee, and Comanche Nation Museum, add the tribal college and its annual invitational festival to the growing list of Comanches who want nothing to do with white supremacist David Yeagley, despite years of his attempting to infiltrate.

And let's not forget the Comanche people overwhelmingly rejected Yeagley in his run for vice president, where he only managed a humiliating one percent of registered Comanche voters, by one account all absentee and from outside the tribal homeland.

Yeagley's "score" for the old silent film Daughter of Dawn was conspicuously absent. Widespread disgust for Yeagley may not be the only reason the film was not wanted. Both Yeagley and the Oklahoma Historical Society face potential legal problems over the use of libel and threats that caused Yeagley to get the composing job in the first place.

Notice that the listings for the works shown at the film festival include a number of Yeagley critics and relatives of Yeagley critics. (Which, admittedly, is not difficult to do, since he has so many, and so few Native supporters.)

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COMANCHE NATION COLLEGE
5TH ANNUAL INVITATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL
1608 SW 9th Street, Lawton, OK 73501
October 17 - 18, 2008

Funding for this Program has been made possible through the generosity of the Comanche Nation College, National Endowment of the Arts, The City of Lawton Arts and Humanities Council, The Oklahoma Arts Council, Buffalo Boys Media, Comanche Nation Higher Education Program, and the Comanche National Museum. Contact: Juanita Pahdopony, 580.591.0203 x 115, jpahdopony@cnc.cc.ok.us

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 17

9:00-12:00 — Steven Judd: Screenplay Writing for Television and the Independent Movie

This workshop provides an overview of the screenplay and script. Judd will acquaint you to the screenplay format, writing rules, and etiquette needed to write a professional screenplay. Participants will learn and understand the industry standards. Judd will also discuss the 2008 ABC/Disney Writers Fellowship and how to apply. The workshop will provide tips on a successful application process.

Steven Judd is Kiowa/Choctaw currently living in Los Angeles, California, as a staff writer on the TV show Mongoose and Luther, which will air February 2009, on the new network Disney XD. The series co-creators are (Even Stevens) and Tom Burkhard. The last short he wrote and co-directed with Tvli Jacob, MAC V PC with a Native Twist, and was a 2007 semi-finalist of NBC/Universal’s Comedy Short Cuts, and a part of the 2008 Comedy Caravan that screened daily at the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian. He is a fellow for the 18th Annual Writing Fellowship program sponsored by the Disney-ABC Television Group and Walt Disney Studios, in partnership with the Writers Guild of America. He is a member of the WGA’s American Indian Writers committee, which is dedicated to finding the next generation of Native American writers. He was nominated as a 2008 Distinguished Alumni for the University of Oklahoma.
1: 00-3:30 — Thomas Yeahpau: No Budget Filmmaking, Poor Man’s Road to Hollywood

Yeahpau will discuss script writing, special effects editing, camera tricks, editing, working with first-time actors, and scoring your independent movie.

Thomas M. Yeahpau is a member of the Kiowa Tribe and resides in Weatherford, Oklahoma. A graduate of Riverside Indian School and Haskell Indian Nations University, Thomas was awarded the 2006 ABC/Disney Studios Writing Fellowship, where he spent a year in Hollywood, writing scripts for TV shows such as The George Lopez Show, Lost, Medium, and My Name Is Earl. He is a published author. His First book “The X-Indian Chronicles” was published in October 2006. He is currently finishing the 2nd book of “The X-Indian Chronicles” of that trilogy. He is a producer for the HipHop group N.D.N.S. Sponsors for the workshop: Hokte Productions and Juanita Pahdopony

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 18

10:00-10:15 — Opening and Welcome

10:15-12:00 — Films: COMANCHERIA (30 min) / BACKROADS (15 min)

COMANCHERIA — Fiction starring Patrick Attocknie, Martin Flores, Mame-Neta Attocknie, Wallace Coffey, and Joe Elm in Oklahoma. Documentary combines natural elements into a poetic glimpse juxtaposing tradition and contemporary Comanche ways.

Norhagen Productions, Directed by Marthe Thorshaug, who lives and works in Hamar, Norway. She graduated from the Art Academy in Oslo in 2003. Her first solo exhibition in Norway was Comancheria at Fotogalleriet in Oslo spring 2007. She is currently working on the manuscript for a film project entitled The Legend of Ygg, a Norse Thriller.
BACKROADS — A tragic event haunts an Oklahoma backroad.

Thomas M. Yeahpau is a member of the Kiowa Tribe and resides in Weatherford, Oklahoma. A graduate of Riverside Indian School and Haskell Indian Nations University, Thomas was awarded the 2006 ABC/Disney Studios Writing Fellowship, where he spent a year in Hollywood, writing scripts for TV shows such as The George Lopez Show, Lost, Medium, and My Name Is Earl. He is a published author. His First book “The X-Indian Chronicles” was published in October 2006. He is currently finishing the 2nd book of “The X-Indian Chronicles” of that trilogy. He is a producer for the HipHop group N.D.N.S.
12:00-1:30 — Lunch (CNC Student Government Association Indian Taco Sale)

1:30-10:00 — Films: RACCOON & CRAWFISH (8 min) / RIDING WITH MY UNCLE (11 min) FRY BREAD BABES (30 min) / THE GUARDIAN (12 min) / ANTICIPATION OF LAND IN 2089 (11:30 min) / A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF BRILLIANCE (12 min) / LADONNA HARRIS: INDIAN 101 / MEKKO PERSPECTIVE (30 min) / THE FLYING HEAD (3:40) / SINEW (23 min) LOST IN OKLAHOMA: CHAPTER ONE (15 min) / FOUR SHEETS TO THE WIND (1:21).

RACCOON & CRAWFISH — Based on an Oneida story animation of how hungry a raccoon can get and is sure to win the audience. This story was the featured animation at the Cannes Film Festival, in France. It also won the Audience Choice award at the Moondance Film Festival.

Brent Michael Davids produced the original music score. Composer Brent Michael Davids is an enrolled citizen of the Mohican Nation. Davids’ career spans 30 years, including awards from ASCAP, NEA, and the Rockefeller Foundation. Davids holds Bachelors and Masters degrees in Music Composition from Northern Illinois University and Arizona State University respectively, trained at Redford’s Sundance Institute, and apprenticed with film composer Stephen Warbeck (Shakespeare In Love) on the TV-Miniseries Dreamkeeper (Hallmark and ABC). Davids has been featured on ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, PBS and NAPT. The National Endowment for the Arts named Davids among the nation’s 29 “most celebrated” choral composers in 2006, in its project “American Masterpieces: three Centuries of Artistic Genius” in all 50 states.

RIDING WITH MY UNCLE — A lighthearted nostalgic ride with the filmmaker’s Uncle as he shares stories of his work life on the police force. (mild profanity)

Weyodi Grandbergs is a published and award-winning Comanche poet, screenwriter, and filmmaker who has lived most of her life in Lawton, Oklahoma. Like many people, she grew up without a father, but throughout most of her childhood, had close contact to her mother’s older brother who lived next door.

FRY BREAD BABES — Six American Indian women use candor and humor to discuss body image and identity and how the lack of American Indian women in mass media impacted each of them. This documentary features Elaine Miles, (Cayuse- Nez Perce) best known for her role as Marlyn Whirlwind on the television series “Northern Exposure” as one of the six interviewees. CNC Film Festival Co-founders Arkeketa and Pahdopony are included.

Steffany Suttle is an enrolled member of the Lummi Nation of Washington State. She was born and raised in Texas. She received her B.A. from Texas A&M University – Corpus Christi. Steffany completed the Native Voices Documentary Filmmaking Program at the University of Washington – Seattle, and earned a Master’s of Communication (M.C.).

THE GUARDIAN — An American Indian man decides, on his 100th birthday, to meet the Guardian that stands on top of the Oklahoma State Capital.

Tvli Jacob is a Choctaw Indian from Oklahoma. He worked on several documentaries, movies and television shows, and published in magazines and other collections of creative writing. As a child, he continued to tell stories even when teachers advised him to stop. Currently, he's a freelance videographer, editor, director, writer and producer.
Steven Judd is Kiowa/Choctaw currently living in Los Angeles, California, as a staff writer on the TV show Mongoose and Luther, which will air February 2009, on the new network Disney XD. The series co-creators are (Even Stevens) and Tom Burkhard. The last short he wrote and co-directed with Tvli Jacob, MAC V PC with a Native Twist, and was a 2007 semi-finalist of NBC/Universal’s Comedy Short Cuts, and a part of the 2008 Comedy Caravan that screened daily at the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian. He is a fellow for the 18th Annual Writing Fellowship program sponsored by the Disney-ABC Television Group and Walt Disney Studios, in partnership with the Writers Guild of America. He is a member of the WGA’s American Indian Writers committee, which is dedicated to finding the next generation of Native American writers. He was nominated as a 2008 Distinguished Alumni for the University of Oklahoma.

ANTICIPATION OF LAND IN 2089 — Tribes participate in a land-run, where they define rules by which to live on acquired lands. A young Comanche woman (Jan-Marie Sapcut) fills out her paperwork with a government agent (Seth Joseph) who is also an ex-boyfriend. It is creates a conflict when her rules and relationship.

Sunrise Tippeconnie is a film director and writer of Numunuu and Dine decent. He has an MFA from Temple University’s Film and Media Arts program in Philadelphia and was a Co-Director of the Nextframe Film Festival. Sunrise has taught at the Temple University Film Program and recently offered Filmmaking I & II at the University of Oklahoma. He freelances in film and television and worked for Lucasfilm, Ltd., Bunim/Murray on the The Real World: Philadelphia. Tippeconnie worked as Director of Photography for Concrete Pictures HD channel Moov and as gaffer on the Yen Tan feature Ciao. He was nominated for a 2007 Re:New Media Fellowship, and selected artist for the Untitled [art space] show”Looking Indian” and for the OklaDaDa Oklahoma centennial art show “Current Realities.” Other film productions include Contest which have shown at the deadCenter Film Festival, the Heard Museum and ImagineNATIVE, and the National Museum of the American Indian. A Comanche Saw Swindle was shown at the Untitled[artspace]. Sunrise currently lives in Oklahoma City and developing feature films and a television pilot.

A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF BRILLIANCE — An American Indian reporter struggles with guilt when given damaging evidence that could ruin his best friend’s political career.

Roderick Pocowatchit is Comanche, Pawnee, and Shawnee. He lives in Wichita, KS. As director, screenwriter, producer and editor, he made seven short films and two independent digital features. Dancing on the Moon and Sleepdancer. He has won several awards, including recognition from the American Indian Film Festival in San Francisco, the Los Angeles American Indian Film & TV Awards, and support and training from the Sundance Institute. Rod appear s as an actor in the upcoming feature film The Only Good Indian starring Wes Studi and directed by Kevin Willmott (the Sundance favorite “C.S.A: The Confederate States of America”). Rod is currently in pre-production on his next feature script, The Dead Can’t Dance. He serves on the advisory board for NativeVue, a national organization that supports and promotes Native Americans in the media.

LADONNA HARRIS: INDIAN 101 — A trailer of the upcoming documentary film about Comanche activist, LaDonna Harris. Held in the highest regard by her colleagues for her numerous historic achievements, LaDonna is now passing her knowledge to a new generation of emerging Indigenous leaders by instilling the importance of traditional tribal values.

Julianna Brannum is a Comanche documentary filmmaker. She lives in Los Angeles and her film credits include the PBS film, “The Creek Runs Red” which was in last year’s CNC Film Festival. She is also working with the upcoming PBS Series, “We Shall Remain” – a 5-part historical series on American Indian history.
MEKKO PERSPECTIVE — Included in the OklaDaDa Oklahoma centennial art show “Current Realities” exhibit held at the IAO Gallery in Oklahoma City. A documentary of tribal leaders featuring Martha Berryhill, Lt. Governor Jefferson Keel, and Principal Chief of the Cherokees, Chad Smith and their responses to the Oklahoma Centennial.

Annette Arkeketa (Otoe-Missouria and Muscogee Creek) is a graduate from Texas A & M University at Corpus Christi, Texas and holds a Master of Arts. She is the Founder and President of Hokte Productions; a published poet, playwright and a speaker on issues concerning American Indian rights and issues. Hokte productions was formed to promote and document American Indian leaders, educators, activists, artists, and issues. She teaches at CNC.

THE FLYING HEAD — Stories told to the youth to encourage them to come home before dark.

Shelly Niro is a member of he Six Nations Reserve, Mohawk, Turtle Clan, she graduated from the Ontario College of Art with hours in visual arts. In 2001 she became the Eiteljorg recipient at the Museum of Western and Indian Arts, Indiana, Indianapolis. She participated in the Women in The Director’s Chair Program at the Banff Centre for the Arts, 2003. In the fall of 2006, Shelley was selected as a fellow in Women in Film and GM Accelerator Grants. In March, Nero exhibited the photographic exhibition Contemporary Voices’ with Jeffrey Thomas at Canada House, Trafalgar, Square, and London, England. Recently Niro prepared a sole exhibition at Oboro, Montreal titled “Almost Fallen” for April 2007. Niro’s short film “Tree” was selected for screening at the Images Festival in Toronto. In the summer of 2007, Niro collaborated with performance artist Lori Blondeau, artist/curator Ryan Rice and academic/curator Nancy Marie Mithlo at the Venice Biennial’s “The Requickening Project.”

SINEW — A powerful and courageous award winning documentary film of Betty Cooper, a Blackfeet activist and Tribal Council Woman’s life story as documented by her daughter, and film producer Patty Collins.

Patty Collins is a graduate of the Native American Studies Program from UC Berkeley. She has spent her life as a traditional healer helping families heal from historical and personal traumas.

LOST IN OKLAHOMA: CHAPTER ONE — The first segment of a 1-hour program currently in production. Chapter One was originally produced for Current Realities: a dialogue with The People, presented by OklaDADA. That exhibit was conceived as a forum for Oklahoma’s Indian artists, writers and filmmakers to ensure that Native perspectives would be clearly heard during Oklahoma’s Centennial year.

Producers: Mary Helen Deer (Kiowa/Creek), Vicki Monks (Chickasaw) , Christopher Smith (Kiowa/Creek), Richard Ray Whitman (Euchee), Written and directed by Vicki Monks, Narration: Mary Helen Deer, Richard Ray Whitman, Camera: Christopher Smith, Vicki Monks.

FOUR SHEETS TO THE WIND — After his father's untimely suicide, Cufe leaves his home on an American Indian reservation to search for a more fulfilling life.

Director Sterlin Harjo (Seminole/Creek) was selected in 2006 as one of the inaugural recipients (and the first Native American recipient) of the prestigious United States Artists Fellowship, which is supported by a consortium of major foundations. He was selected for a 2006 Media Arts Fellowship from Renew Media (now a fellowship program of the Tribeca Film Institute). Also in 2006, Harjo won the top Creative Promise Award from Tribeca All Access for his script Before the Beast Returns (working title). Harjo's first feature film Four Sheets to the Wind premiered at the 2007 Sundance Film Festival and was widely screened nationally and internationally at film festivals and art cinemas. Harjo was selected in 2004 as one of the Sundance Institute's first five Annenberg Film Fellows, a multi-year program launched to provide filmmakers with financial support and full involvement in Sundance's professional workshops. Harjo's short film Goodnight, Irene, which premiered at the 2005 Sundance Film Festival, was cited for Special Jury Recognition at the Aspen Shortsfest. In 2008, he served as a member of the Oklahoma Summer Arts Institute film and video faculty. Harjo grew up in Holdenville, Oklahoma, and lives in Tulsa.

Yeagley Insults Memory of Comanche Code Talkers

2008-10-02T21:20:00.004-06:00

Beverly Isaac (Comanchemoon) left this signed comment to the previous post, accusing Yeagley of hypocrisy.

Yeagley has long had open contempt for veterans, especially Native veterans. But to accuse them of not deserving medals or recognition, to insult the memory of honored and deceased heros may be a new low for him. It echoes the insults his fellow white racist did towards the memory of Lori Piestewa.

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Sitting accross the arena from Yeagley Saturday afternoon, I wondered what is going thru his mind....the speaker was proudly speaking of the Comanche Code talkers and their brave heroic accomplishments in the midst of danger, under fire, in foxholes amongst the enemy and using their Native Lanquage to beat the enemy during World Wars I and II. Their service on the front lines was the first ever of its kind, the enemies could not break the Code and language of the Comanche, Choctaw, Navaho and other Tribes. They truly helped win the Wars.

The Comanche Nation was anxiously awaiting word last week, then the House passed the legislation unanimously.

Yeagley says "using ones one's language is not an act of particular heroism, which is what the Congressional Medal of Honor is awarded for". He was against this act.

I wondered during the speech from a Comance Warrior who was still fighting for this recognition and award for these brave veterans (now all deceased), what was going thru this educated many degreed, non-vet Yeagley's brilliant mind?

He learns so much just being around the People, but he will never apologize for his goofy statements against his own People. He is safe from them, they don't read his statements. He does this for his white posters. Yes, he was dancing with the true Warriors, and pretending to Honor them......I was amazed, he seemed proud of himself.............

COMANCHEMOON

"The White Race Imperiled": White Supremacist David Yeagley Cheers Murder of "Race Mixer"

2008-08-12T18:24:00.003-06:00

Originally published at http://badeagledotorg.blogspot.com/2008/08/david-yeagley-proven-again-as-white.html#links

August 8, 2008
David A. Yeagley proven again as White Supremacist
from the Bad Eagle blog

It’s no difficult feat to stumble across Yeagley’s blog and discern it’s racial stereotyping, and negative denunciation of minorities and women. It’s no longer necessary for Bad Eagle dot Org, or the ever vigilant David Yeagley dot Org, to even speculate on that theme any more — it’s been proven true an abundance of times. So articles like this one are now simply adding to the already competent file of Yeagley white supremacist ranting.

YEAGLEY —
“It’s about lower class... using sex as a savior for dark men... they bring over boat loads of Africans, Middle Easterners, and sometimes Asians... The dark men... start making babies right a way... What’s the solution? Mass sterilization? ...Are they hopelessly craven for the dark man? Are they completely morally abandoned? The white race in imperiled, for sure... That means the whole country” (July 2008).

His latest piece of hatred though is particularly vile, attacking a victim in Pennsylvania for no other reason than being a Mexican by birth and salivating at the brutality of the attack. Obviously no, “compassion” is not a word you would ever find emanating from Yeagley’s gums, except for his confused romanticism of war, or his white corporate sense of patriotism with a smack of giddy smugness.

What is equally recognizable about Yeagley’s latest rant is the clear example of internalized racism. Yeagley is himself mostly German and Mexican in lineage, which has already been established in verifiable fact. Yet, Yeagley froths at the mouth over Mexicans in the most foul ways. It is a product of some denial and the bloggers criticizing Yeagley at his blog are now discussing NPD. I truly think they are onto something here....

Comanche Nation Member: Yeagley "Definitely a White Supremacist"

2008-08-05T08:31:00.002-06:00

The sole Comanche to ever be a part of Yeagley's forum, Beverly Isaac, left this signed post, confirming Yeagley is a white supremacist and is not regarded as Comanche by any actual Comanche people.

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In reading his site and his affiliations, I feel he is definately a White Supremacist. He has no interest at all in the Native American Culture, yet he posts endlessly about them. He thinks they are so inferior as to [not] matter, yet more and more are challenging him and his views. I happen to know the Comanche Nation does not endorse anything he does.

His views are the image of the "Turner Diaries." [A white supremacist novel that inspired the Oklahoma City bombing.] If he could change one Native American into his views, then he has done his job. But I know of not one that takes him seriously on being Comanche. I had to read only a little of him and I instinctively knew he was not culturally inclined and after seeing how many anti-Indian statements and his using his Religion and illness to gain sympathy and momentum.

Any person (usually white) with an ounce of prejudice will fall prey to this teaching and be influenced by people and his ilk. He has always been a White Racist. It started with his Breed Mother and White Father, who told him at an early age that when he fails at anything, it is because he is Indian. I believe that is what made him who he is, not being an enrolled Comanche member with absolutely no Cultural ties.

Comanchemoon

White Conservative Activist: Yeagley an "Utter Fool"

2008-07-14T08:25:00.005-06:00

This is pretty amusing: Yeagley is being repeatedly mocked as an idiot by someone who is an ACTUAL conservative, unlike Yeagley who simply poses as one to fool the naive.

Terry Morris, author of the Daniel Webster blog, describes himself:

I am simply an American, committed to and passionate about the idea of liberty through self-government and independency. These are my qualifications for blogging. These are the fundamental interests which drive my posts. You may decide whether I may be described as a 'Patriot,' which I take to be something more than simple 'patriotism,' or an occasional expression of 'patriotic' impulses.

Most of Morris's blog is straighforward discussion of ideas about small government. As I said before, actual conservatism rather than posing as one as Yeagley does and trying to ride the coattails of the conservative movement.

While Morris took Yeagley's claim of being Comanche and title of "Dr." seriously, otherwise Morris was not fooled by Yeagley, and clearly embarassed Yeagley was presenting himself as conservative. Perhaps a closer look at Yeagley's history of being a white supremacist is what Morris needed to see.

Yeagley offered a confused defense of Indian gaming which only left Morris amused at his feeble attempts to reason.

Then Yeagley truly made a fool of himself with his endorsement of a Republican running for congress.

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Monday, July 7, 2008
Oklahoma Indians, here's your man

Attention uninformed conservative Okies: The advertisement you see to the left is merely a temporary thing. You needn't worry with it any more.

Here's Dr. David Yeagley endorsing Republican Jason Nelson for District 87 House. Now, I don't live in Dr. Yeagley's district so I have no say in who's elected to that seat. And I haven't read anything on our candidate outside Dr. Yeagley's endorsement. What concerns me are the grounds on which Yeagley endorses our Indian-friendly candidate, Mr. Nelson:

YEAGLEY-
If you're an Indian, and you live in District 87 (central Oklahoma City), you must vote for Jason Nelson for your state representative. I ran into Jason yesterday evening, while walking through my neighborhood. He was campaigning, house to house. I spoke a good while with him. I'm convinced, he's the best man for Indians.

No, he doesn't say a word about Indians in any of his campaign material or on his web site. But, I'm telling you, I spoke with him personally, at length. I know what he believes, feels, and thinks about Oklahoma Indians. He's our man! (Also told me his wife was part Chickasaw!)

Morris-
Now, Dr. Yeagley, how many otherwise white-looking folks in Oklahoma have a bit of Chickasaw or Choctaw or Cherokee running through their veins? This fact Mr. Nelson reveals about his wife surprises you and delights you? I don't get it.

Well, I could go on and on and on about why Dr. Yeagley's encounter with Mr. Nelson on the streets of his neighborhood in OKC cannot possibly have been enough to convince him of all that ... unless he's an utter fool. One single (lengthy) encounter with a candidate selling his candidacy (to an Indian) in his neighborhood and Dr. Yeagley's ready to grab up his megaphone and announce to the world "I know all there is to know about him Indian-wise, he's our man!"? C'mon!

Yeagley's Obsession With Black Male Genitals

2008-07-13T09:18:00.002-06:00

From http://www.badeagle.org, Yeagley's latest racist rants that reveal his mixture of jealousy and loathing of Black males.

July 11, 2008
David Yeagley’s Trouser Eyes
from the Bad Eagle blog

Nothing shocks me anymore about David Yeagley’s lack of basic decency and compassion. His weird logic notwithstanding, his rants are marred with racially based comparisons and denigrating language about anyone who is not as pale as a bucket of milk. Just take a look at this jolly crumpet:

YEAGLEY —
“Apparently, all a black man has to do is grab his own crotch, or verbally refer to his male organ, and white women swoon... they seem to bring nothing but low, immoral life with them, wherever they are. It is slavish sensuality, the antithis [sic] of spirituality. Even the black religions of Africa are not spiritual, but sensual. But, if the other races are willing to be absorbed into the darkness, then we can't really blame black people, can we? Why, that would make us all as weak as we accuse them of being. Whites think they can market black denigration, without being degraded themselves. Now, that's really racism” (July 2008).

First of all, what is Yeagley doing staring at people’s crotches in the first place, and do we really need to read about it? It appears to me that it’s not the crotch owners who are doing anything unsavory but the crotch watchers who then write about it on the web — but to each their own.

What is really meant by Yeagley’s phrase “slavish sexuality”? Is a person’s sexuality something that naturally succumbs to slavery under a slave master? Is David on some secret fantasy ride with his Dom? Or is Yeagley attempting to setup a false dichotomy within a person’s own sexuality, where no dichotomy truly exists? It appears Yeagley — once again — has not really thought this issue through very well. But I suspect that clear delineation was not part of Yeagley’s intended agenda.

And if “slavish sexuality” is a nonsense concept, it cannot be rightly used as a foil against any type of “spirituality” let alone the “ antithis [sic] of spirituality” — I’m guessing Yeagley really meant “antithesis” of spirituality. Largely though, I’m not convinced there is such a thing as a spiritual antithesis anyway. Considering that spirituality means many things to many sincerely spiritual people, only the most narrow and archaic-minded stereotyping of spirituality would even remotely function as Yeagley suggests with his false dichotomy. Both from the extreme diversity of history and the cosmopolitan reality of today’s world, Yeagley’s notion simply makes no sense at all.

No, Yeagley’s entire ‘rant’ has nothing to do with spirituality, clear thinking, or crotch gazing. In the end, it’s really just another race-baiting diatribe from a seemingly disgruntled white supremacist. The revealing part of Yeagley’s entire blog is this little nugget toward the end:

YEAGLEY — “other races are willing to be absorbed... Whites think they can market black denigration, without being degraded themselves. Now, that's really racism.”

Whites are marketing black denigration? When did this happen, was I in a coma? How did I miss something this important!

Actually no, it’s only white supremacists that are promoting the denigration of blacks, of which Yeagley apparently counts himself a member. Accepting and open-minded folks already regard these blatant racist distinctions as wholly unnecessary and quite fruitless as a fixation for both blogging and crotch gazing. It’s only “the Yeagleys” of the disgruntled blogosphere that take issue with race at all, unfortunately dumping their “great white throne” weltanschauung on everyone else’s lawn — no pooper scoopers in sight.

But the most important point is this, if racism is one group denigrating others as inferior, than Yeagley has setup an obvious and rather stupid bait-and-switch. “Now, that's really racism,” rants Yeagley, arguing that it is racist for white folks to mix it up with blacks. But he’s really just ratcheting up his brand of bait-and-switch hyperbole.

In actuality, mixing it up with blacks is the exact opposite of racism. By definition, ‘absorption’ between cultures would be necessarily inclusionist or multicultural — not racist. Only from the perspective of a dedicated white supremacist could you label the natural and evolutionary integration between whites and blacks as “racist.” Only a genuine bonafide white supremacist would ever make that altogether useless, and rather malcontented, distinction.

The truth of the matter is this: there is no such thing as racial purity, and consequently no such thing as a white race, by logical extension. Even further, the United States of America could not have been founded on any great white toilet, as Yeagley asserts, because no such reality did, nor could it biologically, ever exist.

Every American patriot, in every square inch of America, is of longtime mixed heritage resulting from a very long evolutionary process of natural selection, stretching back millions of years. One evolutionary branch splits into more limbs, and splits again, all joined from a beginning trunk at a juncture one might call an evolutionary crotch. Can you say “how’s your garden groin?”

But seriously, every human on planet earth has the same root DNA that descended from the beginning of life itself. All people on earth are genetic relatives of the first chromosomes that originated all of us. Those shared DNA materials from the first organism are still lingering around inside of us right now — literally. Grapes have it, Whites have it, Apes have it, Mites have it. We all have it.

So not only must we regard Yeagley’s bait-and-switch as dumb science; also, it is entirely useless toward explaining anything at all. The only possible use for Yeagley’s hyperbole would be to incite divisiveness and promote hatred where none need exist. Once again it seems David Yeagley has demonstrated himself to be of the ‘white supremacist’ persuasion.

Yeagley "Almost Exactly the Same as David Duke"

2008-07-02T13:50:00.003-06:00

From www.badeagle.org

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David Yeagley succumbs to Baracknophobia!

Yes, David Yeagley (not surprisingly) succumbs to Baracknophobia in yet another of his white supremacist pontifications. Yeagley is feigning the victim yet again, "oh, it's too horrible to repeat — SO HORRIBLE — the homosexual libel against Obama, so horrible that I cannot repeat it here on my blog, I morally cannot post it at all, I simply cannot," but then Yeagley posts it all anyway. This two-faced behavior is exactly why no one cares about Yeagley's views whatsoever. It's all too easy to see Yeagley's own hypocrisy.

In his earlier silly rant, Yeagley attributes a black president to changing the color of the entire ‘white’ house for the worse — the lowest of the low in racial outlook. Yeagley is fearful of genuine American equity in this country, American equity, the fair market, the Patriotic commonwealth, the common good of all American Patriots — all seen “bad” in Yeagley’s ranting. Not only shortsighted on Yeagley’s part, but downright discriminatory and anti-American. Yeagley’s no patriot. He’s no warrior. He’s behaves like a disgruntled white supremacist who’s afraid of sharing the commonwealth with all other Americans, including his many Mexican relatives. It’s a sad shame when internalized racism grabs hold of anyone and leads them to this lowly behavior. Sad and a pitiful shame.

YEAGLEY —
“As the slavish media continues to blather on about Michelle and Barack Hussein Obama, we note that the ghetto level behavior of black ‘culture’ has already accompanied them... absolutely vomitable... Michelle Obama is quintessentially hypocritical. She feigns (and fawns) over her supposedly lowly background near the street--the very kind of place were faddish behavior is breeded... You'd think the Obamas were white... They say Joseph Goebbels believed that propaganda made the Third Reich... In the case of the Obamas, one thing is clear: the blacking of America. The constant visual, in your face ‘change’ of color... their way of ousting the hated white conservative power” (June 2008).

Above, we see Yeagley throwing the ‘third reich’ at Obama, the “blackening” of America when America was never white to begin with, Yeagley’s own upchucking bodily functions, and the deep mischaracterizing of nonwhite culture as the ‘ghetto.’ However, one of his blog followers, made this astute comment:

JASON —
“ ‘It is clear of her now, as it has been of Barack Hussein for some time, that we simply don't know Michelle, or her husband. We don't know who they really are [Yeagley].’ So, if ‘we’ don't know Barack or Michelle, if ‘we don't know who they really are,’ as you claim, could you explain your frothing at the mouth diatribe against them every other post for the past several months? You act as though you do know them, continually assigning to them motivations you've cobbled from other blacks and simply projected to them... You need to start asking yourself why you are so angry. And ponder this, as I mean it with upmost sincerity... your views are almost exactly the same as David Duke's. Aside from your self-professed love of Jews and Judaism, what difference is there between you and the Dukster?” (June 2008).

Well said!! What Jason points out is absolutely true....

Yeagley Supporter Betty Ann Gross Rants Against Comanche Critic

2008-06-29T16:44:00.004-06:00

It seems that Yeagley and his supporter/frustrated love interest both like to make empty threats of lawsuits.

For the record, truth is an ABSOLUTE defense against libel.

From Bevery Isaac comes this account of Betty Ann Gross's latest tactics, threats of a lawsuit and just plain threats of a very vague kind.

In Isaac's view, Gross comes across as mentally unstable in both her pathological anger and her being utterly dependent on Yeagley, hopelessly in love with a character notorious for his hatred of both Natives and women.

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Oh, Oh,

Betty Ann [Gross] is hopping mad, as usual.

On Yeagley's site this morning, she threatened me with a lawsuit for lying about her and Yeagley. Well, I did NOT LIE. Her and Yeagley can say what they want about anyone, but when the same happens to them, she is crying "LAWSUIT."

Her words vebatim "Why don't you get porked by Al Carroll, comanchemoon?" This started when I got thru on his blog and told his readers to go to "www.davidyeagley.org and read and don't forget to read the comments."

Apparently she read, and got very angry.....She and Yeagley can say what they will about anyone yet when a person defends themselves, she cries.

She says: "TELLING LIES ALL KINDS OF LIES. IT CAN GET YOU IN TROUBLE BEVERLY ISAAC. YOU MAY BE ABLE TO MESS WITH DAVID, BUT NOT ME. AND OH, I WILL COME AFTER YOU LEGALLY, YOU TOLD LIES TO AL CARROLL AND OTHERS ON THIS SITE ABOUT DAVID YEAGLEY AND I, NOW BACK UP YOUR WORDS, ISAAC."

AND MORE, "HE IS NOT YOUR ENEMY NOR DID I TURN HIM AGAINST YOU, YOU DID THAT YOURSELF. JUST LIKE YOU TOLD AL CARROLL AND HIS PEOPLE THAT I HAD MONEY AND JUST WAS TOSSING IT AWAY. WHAT MONEY DO YOU SPEAK OF BEVERLY AND NOW SINCE YOU INCLUDED ME IN YOUR HATEFUL MISSION AGAINST DAVID AND SIDE WITH HIS ENEMIES, YOU DEAL WITH ME NOW. WHAT MONEY OR INSURANCE MONEY? WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVE YOUR WORDS NOW. YOU MAY LIE ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE BUT YOU DO NOT LIE ABOUT ME OR MY FAMILY. I WILL COME AFTER YOU."

I responded with "I never, never tell lies...thats the other difference between breeds and the Real Deal, 4/4 Comanche. Never, Never Lie.

Thank you very much, are you the Moderator now? Figures...You own the Site...Right? Ran off all the others, remember, your David told everyone not to respond to ME, but you're special, right?

Everything I mention is what YOU told me, how would I even know, huh? You can't take it when someone speaks, the truth..you go THREATEN THE WIND."

Well I had to leave for the day, so I'm sure she responded, but when I came home, it was all deleted. I copied this much of the conversation. Yep, she is a MAD HATTER.

I am just one of many people who wants Yeagley to quit using the Indian Nations at his whim, then turns on them. She follows him around like a Dog. As strong a woman I thought she was at first, how can she let him lead her around?

We spoke at length about him and his mother and father and she said "He just has a way of saying things, you just have to try to understand him, buy his book and read it."

I told her, "No way would I spend $20 to read him bad mouth the Indian. I read it all over the net and even on his own archives. He is not ashamed of anything he writes. He is in fact proud and if there is another explanation of his writing he does not expand on it."

He is proud of his Rantings against the Nations. She is proud of him and tells him and smooths his feathers everytime he posts anything controversial, no matter what. I lost any little respect I may have had of her at first, but I think I always knew she was feeling me out about the man she truly loves.

She in fact hinted that if it were not for her little girl, she would run away again as she did when she was a wild thang. I only hope she never comes to Oklahoma. I am not afraid of her, I just think she is mental, now thats my own opinion, psychologically speaking, she is one mean woman. He acts so virginal, what a pair...

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Bevery continued in later comments describing vague threats from both Gross and Yeagley.

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I received an e-mail the 4th of June, "JUST A SUGGESTION, STAY CLEAR OF MY OPPONENTS, BECAUSE YOU ARE A COMANCHE WOMAN."

I wonder what he is trying to say between the lines?

Betty Ann Gross already threatened me with a lawsuit. Right there on the blog, of course he deleted it, as well as my responce.

These two can say anything about anyone and Indians, and they want us to "Shut Up" say nothing in response?

Did a White Supremacist Intimidate the Oklahoma Historical Society on Comanche Film?

2008-06-24T16:02:00.000-06:00

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/06/23/18510505.php

Did a White Supremacist Intimidate the Oklahoma Historical Society on Comanche Film?
by Dr. Al Carroll
Monday Jun 23rd, 2008 9:51 AM

The musical score for an early silent film with Comanche actors is at the center of a tangled legal dispute involving possible threats, theft, libel, charges about Oklahoma Historical Society President Robert Blackburn’s contempt for the Comanche community, notorious white supremacist David Yeagley’s disputed claim of being Comanche, and a possible “million dollar lawsuit.”

Daughter of Dawn

Last year the Oklahoma Historical Society decided to commission a musical score for Daughter of Dawn, a 1920 silent film. The actors are almost all Comanche or Kiowa. Such a film obviously is of great interest to Comanche people. Many of the actors were grandparents or great-grandparents of many Comanche living today.

Brent Michael Davids, a Mohican classical composer with eighteen years of film scoring experience and over two dozen film scores to his credit, was the early favorite to score the film. A number of prominent Comanches, including educators Juanita Pahdopony and Leslie Whitefeather, recommended him. Robert Blackburn, the president of the OHS, praised Davids’s work on the film repeatedly and other employees of the OHS also at first believed Davids would score the film.

Enter White Supremacist David Yeagley

David Yeagley is perhaps the most notorious figure in all of Indian Country, surpassing even Ward Churchill. An outspoken white supremacist who claims to be part Comanche, Yeagley is a proud associate of many extremist groups on the far right. Yeagley is a speaker for the white supremacist conspiracy theorists the John Birch Society. The society is listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center for its hate speech and is best known for claiming fluoridated water and rock music were Communist plots, along with claiming Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy were Communists.

Yeagley also co wrote articles for the anti-Indian group One Nation with Barbara Lindsay, something that Yeagley’s lawyer today denies even though the articles are widely available. Yeagley works with the Neo-Nazi skinhead group Stormfront and other white supremacists like the National Alliance. He welcomed them to his online forum and discussed plans to turn the US into a whites-only nation. Yeagley has also publicly praised other white supremacists such as the Minutemen, Serbian nationalists who committed genocide, and even Hitler.

Other actions by Yeagley have generated controversy in Indian Country. He called the Virginia Tech massacre victims “cowards,” compared Janet Jackson to an ape, wrote a series of articles titled “Niggers in the News” and “The Word Nigger Should Stay,” and frequently claims any who disagree with him are Communists.

One of the earliest, strongest, and most effective critics of Yeagley was Brent Michael Davids. Prominent Comanches had recommended Davids for his talent and experience. His being a critic of Yeagley was just a bonus, since virtually all Comanches hold Yeagley in low regard. (Yeagley ran for tribal office and came in a very distant fourth place out of four, getting the vote of about one percent of registered Comanche voters.)

Yeagley was livid over the choice of Davids to compose the score. The Comanche Nation had previously wanted Davids to compose for them before, for their annual fair. Yeagley called the tribal offices, screaming abuse. Officials in tribal government listened patiently, and then ignored him as they always had.

Among Comanches, Yeagley is regarded by many as a crank that turns up at tribal council, where his speeches are often met with amused laughter. He proposed starting the “first American Indian bank.” The first American Indian bank was begun back in the 1920s. Yeagley gave a speech about “Comanche clans.” The Comanche don’t have clans. He claimed his mother (or by some accounts his stepmother) was the first woman ever elected to the Comanche Business Committee. She ran but was never elected, and Yeagley actually hid in the Comanche courthouse from Comanche women questioning why he lied.

Did Yeagley Use Threats Or Libel?

What happened next is the subject of much debate, and possibly of legal action. According to multiple sources at the McMahon Foundation, Yeagley spoke to two young Comanche girls working in the Comanche Museum gift shop. He demanded they take him to the OHS president, Robert Blackburn. One of the sources described Yeagley as threatening and issuing demands to Blackburn. The source described the closest thing to an “endorsement” either Blackburn or Yeagley could find from Comanches were these two young girls who responded to a request to meet Blackburn.

What we also know is that neither Blackburn nor anyone else at the OHS ever contacted any of the Comanche leadership or asked for their advice or recommendations for someone to score the film. The Comanche tribal offices were never contacted. The Comanche Nation College was never spoken to. The Comanche Film Festival was likewise ignored.

In fact, all of the Comanche leadership who gave an opinion on Yeagley strongly objected, but Blackburn not only ignored them, he was openly contemptuous. A member of the Comanche Nation Constitution Committee who wrote to Blackburn was among the many pointing out Yeagley was a white supremacist and a racist extremist. The objections of the Comanche Language and Cultural Preservation Committee likewise were rejected. Perhaps most bizarrely, Blackburn claimed objecting to a racist who most contend is not Comanche as the composer on a Comanche film was “political” and “irrelevant.” Blackburn also repeatedly refused to tell anyone just who the alleged recommenders for Yeagley actually were.

Later Blackburn would claim in emails that he hired Yeagley “solely because he was Comanche” and that “Comanche and Kiowa tribal representatives” demanded he hire Yeagley. Yet neither Blackburn nor Yeagley have ever publicly named any American Indians who supposedly recommended Yeagley, and the Comanche leadership were never consulted, and ignored when they offered their opinion. Blackburn then went one step further and even threatened a lawsuit if this article were published or the subject written about.

The reason for that threat of a lawsuit may be that, ironically, it was libel coming from Yeagley himself, or perhaps a Yeagley supporter, that caused Blackburn to drop the most likely, experienced, and highly recommended candidate, Davids, in favor of Yeagley. Blackburn has now entirely changed his story, and claims that Davids was dropped because he had no experience scoring films. Yet Davids has extensive experience, over two dozen film scores and eighteen years of experience, while Yeagley is an amateur who had absolutely no experience in film scoring. Blackburn had previously highly praised Davids’ proposal and partial scoring of the film as “a great job” and “highly professional,” indicating he had not only seen it and listened to it, but given it long and serious consideration.

By his newest claim, Blackburn explicitly puts the suspicion on either Yeagley, or a supporter who recommended him, for libel that could prevent the film from being shown with Yeagley’s score. Libel for the purpose of denying someone work could be legally considered a threat, or perhaps even a civil rights violation since the job was denied to an American Indian in favor of a white supremacist. That Yeagley, who as white supremacist is publicly opposed to affirmative action, only received his position (according to Blackburn) because of an affirmative action-like position of Blackburn’s is also ironic.

The question then becomes, was Yeagley the one who libeled Davids with the false claim of him having no experience, in order to score the film? Or did a supporter of Yeagley’s tell the libel to Blackburn? If so, did Yeagley know about the libel from that supporter, or even ask him to say the libel? Or is Blackburn simply not telling the truth now because he is embarrassed about giving into Yeagley, or his believing libel told about Davids that could easily have been checked, and the embarrassment to the Oklahoma Historical Society for ignoring what Comanche leaders wanted done on the film?

Yeagley has a completely different version of how he got to score the film over the objections of numerous prominent Comanche leaders. Yeagley says an unnamed friend tipped him off. Yeagley further makes the unlikely claim that he was chosen because of work he did with a symphony in Europe, and that he did not know of any Natives competing for the film score. Neither Blackburn nor any other account agrees with Yeagley’s claims, or explains why an inexperienced amateur and pariah within the Comanche community like Yeagley was chosen over someone far more experienced and well liked by Comanche leaders like Davids.

Even the reason given by Blackburn for awarding the film score to Yeagley is highly disputed. Many American Indians have long said Yeagley is not even Comanche, including many Comanche. Yeagley himself admitted on his own forum the disputes about his ancestry go back many years, long before he was widely known as a figure on the far right. Blackburn was informed of the lengthy disputes about Yeagley’s claim of being part Comanche at the same time as Comanche leaders wrote to him to object to Yeagley being chosen. Why Blackburn chose to ignore them is still not clear.

The Comanche Museum also has been quite clear about its feelings on the OHS giving money to a white supremacist widely disliked by virtually all Comanches. One source described the Comanche Museum Council explicitly voting against Yeagley as the choice to score the film. Comanche Museum President Dan Bigbee Jr. confirmed that the museum wants nothing to do with the film project or Yeagley.

Every other state and local government agency and Comanche official contacted for this story also confirmed they never recommended Yeagley for the film score. Even other employees and members of the OHS seem to have had no say in why the film score was awarded to a white supremacist with heavily disputed claims of being Comanche. One OHS employee even admitted he did not know if Yeagley was Comanche or not.

Allegations of Stolen Notes and Copyright Violation

The story becomes more sordid because Blackburn had asked Davids in an email if he could take Davids’s notes and proposal on scoring the film. Yeagley, after all, had no experience. Some leading Comanches believe Blackburn wanted to let Yeagley use the notes to help him score the film. It took Yeagley as an amateur over half a year to compose the score, where an experienced professional composer could have done so in less than a third of the time.

Blackburn then seems to have panicked. Davids’ notes were legally protected by copyright. If Blackburn showed the notes to Yeagley, even once, this is a copyright violation. A copyright dispute would affect the film being shown with Yeagley’s score, as well as the sale of any music from either OHS or Yeagley of the film score. But Blackburn ignored or delayed on eight different requests to return the notes, coming from both Davids and his assistant over several months. Several Comanche leaders indicated in their emails they believed Yeagley could have stolen part of the score from Davids, or that Blackburn played a role in possible theft and copyright violation.

In June, Blackburn completely changed his story and claims to have never even seen or heard any of Davids’s work on the film. Suddenly Blackburn now falsely claims that Davids had sent unsolicited work (false), that the work came multiple times (it was a single proposal), that others were part of the decision (though he refused to name them), and that never cared if Yeagley was Comanche (several of Blackburn’s own earlier emails say the opposite). He even claimed to have thrown Davids’s notes and partial score in the trash, unseen and unheard. Yet he also claimed in the same email both that he had not listened to Davids’s work on the score, and that he did not like Davids’s work.

Blackburn’s own earlier emails to Davids may wind up being the smoking gun in the legal disputes over the film score. The emails clearly show Blackburn had earlier lavishly praised Davids’s work, indicting he had seen the notes and listened to the work. Blackburn even described in his emails having the folder and CD of Davids’s partial score ready to be mailed back, but then wrote three emails trying to delay legal action from Davids, making false promises of his intent to return the material “soon.” Yet Blackburn also made contradictory promises of both keeping the material confidential, yet wanting to keep it.

The story took a further bizarre turn when Yeagley lavishly praised Comanche Nation President Wallace Coffey. Yeagley had earlier been very bitter in his criticism of Coffey after the Comanche President publicly praised Rudy Youngblood, the Comanche actor in the Mel Gibson film Apocalypto. Yeagley was upset because he was convinced Youngblood was part Black. Some of Yeagley’s followers even issued death threats to Youngblood’s family.

Several have cynically suggested that Yeagley wants the Comanche Nation to pay him for his work on the film. But the chances of Yeagley getting funds from the tribal government that so strongly opposes him are remote. One of the sources in tribal government contacted for this story even wants Yeagley disenrolled, both for this dispute and for Yeagley’s role in a white supremacist film in Europe, Prisoners of the Past.

Daughter of Dawn may have trouble getting shown with Yeagley’s score, given the lawsuits it likely faces. The same is true of any sale of recordings of Yeagley’s score by either Yeagley or the OHS. Davids has spoken of filing a “million dollar lawsuit” against both Blackburn and Yeagley. However, the film is in the public domain and there is no reason other composers, ones whose ancestry is not in dispute and whose extreme politics and racism are not so objected to, could not compose a score, one from an actual professional. Ironically, Yeagley’s effort to promote himself and get revenge on his most successful critic may backfire. Yeagley’s sole Comanche supporter to ever be at his online forum, Beverly Isaac, has also issued a call for Yeagley to be disenrolled.

Complaints about the open contempt with which Blackburn and the Oklahoma Historical Society treated Comanche leaders in this episode may damage relations between Comanches and the OHS. But that may not be much of a change after all. As one Comanche leader noted, “Sad to say the system at Oklahoma [Historical Society] is still closed to Indians.”

Dr. Al Carroll

Yeagley's Hatred of Comanche Women

2008-06-21T07:51:00.003-06:00

A portion of an article from www.badeagle.org.

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Yeagley slams Comanche women, trying to appease his past mistakes
from the Bad Eagle blog

This week, it seems Yeagley is still at it. You know, “it.” Misogyny. Misogyny seeps into most anything Yeagley blogs, but this time it’s a backhanded slap at the Comanche women. In one breath, Yeagley is trying to commend Wallace Coffey for his goodwill toward others as a virtue to which Yeagley himself supposedly aspires. But in the same breath, Yeagley turns around and baits the Comanche women into a potential argument about why the Comanche Nation is so angry and divisive. Interesting that Yeagley’s admiration for Coffey does not extend to the Comanche women. It’s as if he has not learned anything from Coffey at all. No surprise there, I’m a skeptic given Yeagley’s never-ending white supremacy rants and his voiced desire for Mexican immigrants to be left dead in the desert rather than welcomed into Indian country. That’s not very “Wallace Coffey” of Yeagley, is it? Nope, it’s not.

YEAGLEY —
“I cannot describe the drama of a Comanche election... the content is unspeakable. The things that the opposition is willing to put in print about a candidate is incredible, literally. Much of it simply cannot be believed, or trusted, no matter who the source is... usually a female elder” (June 2008).

Actually, much of the negative content in the last Comanche election stemmed from Yeagley’s own failed run for office, and being confronted outside the building by many Comanche women upset about his fabrications. Yeagley was trying to claim family accolades he never earned and claim a Comanche history that never actually occurred. According to all reports except for Yeagley’s own revisionist retelling, the women correcting him startled him enough that he was noticeably unnerved and retreated back into the building. Safe, inside — but doubtful of his former public claims — and rightfully so. He had publicly spread misinformation and falsified his lineage, and was publicly reprimanded for it.

YEAGLEY —
“Now, Wallace Coffey was imminently qualified... He is nationally known in a number of capacities, particularly education, but also universally beloved as a pow-wow Master of Ceremonies (MC)... Wallace doesn't get mad at people... I don't get the impression it's ever with malice or vengeance. Only when I began to accept this way within myself, did I begin to notice it, and appreciate it, in Wallace” (June 2008).

Wallace Coffey is a generous person, even to non-Comanches. When my "Powwow Symphony" was being performed yet again, this time by the New Mexico Symphony Orchestra, Coffey was willing to step into the MC’s role when beloved MC Sammy Tonkei took ill. My thanks to Wallace for his generous offer though a scheduling conflict led to a third performer into the MC's role.

However, the second part of Yeagley’s claim above is suspect. As already pointed out, Yeagley’s newly-asserted benevolence does not extend to Comanche women, and there is an ulterior, possibly selfish, motive for Yeagley to praise Wallace Coffey at this particular moment in time. Yes, I’m a true skeptic searching for the truth, and I see an interesting and yet unexplored back story emerging in Yeagley’s recent assertions. Simply connecting the dots.

YEAGLEY —
“If one loves the people, one accepts this horrid behavior from the people... It is the misapplication of the authority of our women elders" (June 2008).

What do we make of Yeagley’s comment above? Not many ways to take the comment, it’s denigrating Comanche elders and gnashing teeth over the old matriarchal system of Comanche life. Yeagley’s new vision for Comanche governance would be placing the males in authority positions, males such as Yeagley himself holding office. I am totally glad that the misogynist, backward ways of the neocon are finally losing ground, even in the bought corporate media that neocons like Murdock primarily created. America is becoming a bit more cosmopolitan, more interracial, more open and freethinking, slowly but surely. Still a long way to go, but the move toward tolerance and equity won’t be stopped. Yes we can.

Comanche Museum Wants Nothing to Do With Yeagley or "Daughter of Dawn"

2008-06-16T11:39:00.003-06:00

While Yeagley seems to be desperately trying to use a film project he bullied (and possibly libeled) his way onto to get recognition from actual Comanches...

It's just not working. The Comanche leadership wants nothing to do with him. It's not just his leading role in a white supremacist documentary in Europe. It's not just his role in threats against Rudy Youngblood and his family, when Youngblood was embraced by Comanches for his accomplishments.

No, Yeagley's "scoring" of the film "Daughter of Dawn" has done nothing except get Comanches to distance themselves from that film:

Read it and weep, Yeagley.

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Hello,

As Chair of the Comanche National Museum Board I can tell you the board has chosen not to be involved with this project.

Dan Bigbee Jr.

dan@bigproductions.us

Yeagley's Sugar Mama: The Obsessed Betty Ann Gross

2008-06-02T11:27:00.002-06:00

From a former member of Badeagle.com, once Yeagley's SOLE Comanche member Beverly Isaac (Comanchemoon), comes this account of the sad and strange relationship between David Yeagley and Betty Ann Gross.

Basically, Gross gives Yeagley money from the loans on an insurance settlement she's expecting. She does this because she's sad, lonely, and angry after the wrongful death of her husband, and she is in love with him.

Yeagley, taking advantage of her weakness and pain and exploiting it to lash out at those he hates or those who dare criticize him, gives her full reign to attack people at his forum, especially Blacks.

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No Comanche around here thinks very much of Yeagley, he really does not fit in at all. He is really nervy and thinks he is above us all. He has maybe one follower and that is Quannah Tachawwicka, the man that nominated him...

His best friend on the net is Betty Ann Gross. She told him to ban me and he listened to her. She told him I was going to ruin it for his campaign. She cursed me and pushed me until I retaliated and he banned me but not her. That is their tactic.

She used to call me at least once a week. She is in love with him, and thought I knew him personally. She just wanted to know what he was doing, what he looked like, how tall was he, etc.

She told me that when he didn't want a person on his site that he asked her to go after them until they left, mainly black people. Then she did the same thing to me.

She takes up for him like he is a baby, he is a weakling.

He uses her, she has full reign to be dirty and nasty while others have to go by the rules.

She finances him also. She told me that she bought him furniture and paid his plane ticket for him to speak at Rapid City on some project she was doing for the Homeless Sioux. She was so excited that he was coming to see her.

She told me she was expecting a ll million dollar lawsuit for wrongful death of her husband, so I think he is paid and bought by her. She and he can get rid of
anyone they please, or [that] displeases them.

Anyway that is the saga of Badeagle and the Comanche People. He is not very well liked by anyone around here [the Comanche Nation] and I'm sure it will not likely change. But he is a trickster alright.

Beverly Isaac,
Comanchemoon

Portillo Family Member Calls Yeagley "Such a Liar"

2008-06-01T15:47:00.004-06:00

From Beverly Isaac, leaving comments over at Brent Michael David's www.badeagle.org, comes this account of a discussion she had with a member of the family Yeagley claims to be part of, the Portillos. Norma Portillo was the woman Yeagley claims was his mother (the same one Yeagley falsely claimed had been elected to the Comanche Business Committee.)

By many accounts, Yeagley was adopted into the Portillo family, and it's always been of intense interest that not a single one of the family has ever defended Yeagley, not even to say that he is related to them by blood and not adopted.

What Yeagley has specifically lied about (besides his own alleged family) is not entirely clear yet. But one thing is:

Yeagley is scared to death of what the people he claims are his blood will say, banning Bevery Isaac from his little white supremacy site simply for talking and being friendly to the Portillos.

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I met a lady last Christmas who's maiden name was Portillo. When I asked her if she knew Yeagley, she said, "Yes, and he is such a liar."

She can't stand the stories he's made up of the family. She and her husband recently moved here from California. She was helping us decorate for the Elders Christmas Dinner and was going to Volunteer at the Hospital, but got sick and then she was moving into a new house. So we lost contact, I recently called her to ask if she was OK and settled in. She was happy to hear from me, she said she didn't have anyone around she knew.

I am pretty sure there will be no Picnic with her and Yeagley together. She said her family knew her Uncle George Portillo very well, yet she can't stand Yeagley and his lies about the family.

She is very knowledgeable about her Uncle George. As soon as I know she has her computer set up, I will have to make sure she gets this information.

When I told Yeagley about his cousin Lee Mowry, he immediately told me not to discuss him with her, he said, "I know my family." Soon thereafter I think is when he and Betty Ann started giving me a hard time on his site. I was eventually denied access to commenting and banned. Yes, I think Yeagley has a lot to hide. I can't wait until I get in contact with Lee Mowry again. Her mothers' name is Mary Etta, she was at the time I met them 90 years old.

I also find it strange, that when Thomas Kavanagh visited the Comanche Nation, not too long ago that Yeagley did not show up, since he mentioned him here. He was there for a question and answer session and had a meal with us, approximately 100 people or more were there to honor him, I got my book signed by Kavanagh THE COMANCHES A HISTORY, 1706-1875. Yeagley must be ashamed of answers he would have given.

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I find that last part strange as well. I've met Thomas Kavanagh in person. He helped arrange for me to look at Indiana University's archives on Native veterans of World War I for my dissertation, which eventually became my first book, Medicine Bags and Dog Tags.

Like Beverly, I think Yeagley feared being exposed by Kavanagh as (even more) ignorant than he already has been shown to be.

Comanche (and Former Member of Badeagle) Calls for Yeagley's Disenrollment

2008-05-12T12:02:00.002-06:00

Beverly Isaac left this signed comment in response to my post on Yeagley's involvement in the white supremacist film "Prisoners of the Past."

Isaac also discussed Yeagley's shameful lies during the tribal election where he placed a very distant fourth out of four candidates, his lies about his family, his racism and contempt for Indians, and his abusive treatment of strong Indian women that he finds threatening.

Finally she closes with a call for Yeagley's disenrollment, describing him as a "Columbus Indian."

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What can I say about the man called Badeagle. Spokesman for the Comanche Nation.

I can say that he is weedling his way into the important people. He speaks of the Chairman and TA as personal friends. He seems to have a personal friend who takes videos of himself and puts on the Net. At the General Council the question he asked......everyone knew the answer too but HE and I thought he was friends with the person who is the Head of the Program. He is a constant visitor at the Comanche Complex lately, yet he calls those Real Comanche that dare to visit our own Complex for business or benefits, hang around the Fort Indians, isn't that calling the kettle black.

He is very out of place there, but that does not stop him, I believe our Chairman and T.A. are just too busy to give him notice. He does have an ulterior motive, believe me, he is not there for no reason. I wonder if the Brown Chairman knows how this man called Badeagle thinks Brown is a Beastly Bore. I am very Brown and I love my color, I can never forget that nor other denigrating statements Yeagly makes especially for the Beautiful Indian Women. I consider all Indian Woman Beautiful simply because they are Indian and have endured so much. They are the lifeline to our future.

I will never understand,(though I have tried), the reason for Yeagley's stance on the Native American, why he considers us all beneath the Whiteman, uneducated, slovenly drunkards Rezervation Indians.

Yes I am one that was banned....I told him to tell the truth about his family...since he was running for office. He resented that and called me a liar. I never lied about him nor his mother, he insists I did. He called four other women and I vicious, vicious, malcontent jealous Indian women. None of which any of us were, we were merely discussing his mothers' role as not being the first Comanche woman on the Comanche Business Committee. Of course when he himself found out the truth...he had an excuse...no apology, we are beneath him.

This film did it for me, I will never accept this person as a Comanche, he should be one of the first ones to be dis-enrolled with all his ugliness spewed forth about us, but of course now he is bending over backwards to make up for his role, I hope the important leaders can see through his pitiful attempt. I may not be important to him, but I am 4/4 Comanche, I know the Comanche I lived it my whole life, not 4-5 years in the Public eye as he so proud to claim he is and published. He reprimanded me also for speaking publicly about him, yet he can do it to the whole Nation and think nothing of the detrimental affect this has on our Nation.

Yet I have to give him credit for being brave enough to cross that burned bridge to try to get benefits, he has become a "HANG AROUND THE FORT COLUMBUS INDIAN."

Beverly Isaac

Huge Success For Yeagley's Critics, Failure for Yeagley and His Followers

2008-04-27T11:20:00.003-06:00

An announcement I first made over at NAFPS, at http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1710.0

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I'm glad to say that all that Yeagley, Lekay, and others have tried to do to harm NAFPS and myself over the years has been a complete and utter FAILURE. In most ways it's completely backfired. NAFPS is stronger than ever and more respected than ever, constantly used as a resource by hundreds of sites and working with numerous other activists and institutions.

Personally, they haven't been able to touch me either. I continue to work and write works published in academia. And I'm proud to tell all of you in here two very important new announcements.

The first is news some of you have known was coming for some time. My first book is being published. Originally my dissertation, it's been rewritten and taken out of the dissertation mold, done with both a Native and a general audience in mind. Above all I aimed for my book to support oral traditions, and be a work that Native veterans and their families would want to read and reread again, to understand the traditions in the broadest possible context, and refer to when a non-Native asks them why so many NDNs are vets. It's also still more than rigorously researched enough to be put out on an academic press. That's something the likes of David Yeagley and other professional liars and deceivers could never hope for.

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http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Medicine-Bags-and-Dog-Tags,673393.aspx
Medicine Bags and Dog Tags
American Indian Veterans from Colonial Times to the Second Iraq War
Al Carroll
Hardcover
2008. 296 pp.
978-0-8032-1085-1
$45.00 s
Read an Excerpt (pdf)

As far back as colonial times, Native individuals and communities have fought alongside European and American soldiers against common enemies. Medicine Bags and Dog Tags is the story of these Native men and women whose military service has defended ancient homelands, perpetuated longstanding warrior traditions, and promoted tribal survival and sovereignty.

Drawing on a rich array of archival records and oral traditions, Al Carroll offers the most complete account of Native veterans to date and is the first to take an international approach, drawing comparisons with Native veteran traditions in Canada and Mexico. He debunks the “natural warrior” stereotype as well as the popular assumption that Natives join the military as a refuge against extreme poverty and as a form of assimilation. The reasons for enlistment, he argues, though varied and complex, are invariably connected to the relative strengths of tribal warrior traditions within communities. Carroll provides a fascinating look at how the culture and training of the American military influenced the makeup and tactics of the American Indian Movement in the 1960s and 1970s and how, in turn, Natives have influenced U.S. military tactics, symbolism, and basic training.

Al Carroll is Mescalero Apache (unenrolled), Mexican, and Irish. He is an adjunct professor of history at St. Phillip’s College in San Antonio, Texas, and his articles have appeared in several contributed volumes.

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It's coming out in June, and is already widely available online at dozens of sites for ordering advance copies.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22medicine+bags+and+dog+tags&btnG=Google+Search

So if any of you read it, let me know what you think of it. I'll likely be doing public appearances to promote it also.

The other piece of news is also something I'm pretty excited about. As of this week, it's official. I'm now a Fulbright Scholar. For anyone whose not familar with the Fulbright Program.

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http://www.cies.org/about_fulb.htm
The Fulbright Program, the U.S. government's flagship program in international educational exchange....

Fulbright grants are made to U.S. citizens and nationals of other countries for a variety of educational activities, primarily university lecturing, advanced research, graduate study and teaching...chosen for their academic merit and leadership potential...to exchange ideas and to contribute to finding solutions to shared issues....

Both U.S. and Visiting Fulbright Scholars lecture or conduct research in a wide variety of academic and professional fields ranging from journalism and urban planning to music, philosophy, business administration and zoology.

The Fulbright Program is sponsored by the United States Department of State, Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs....

The U.S. Fulbright Scholar Program sends 800 scholars and professionals each year to over 140 countries, where they lecture or conduct research in a wide variety of academic and professional fields.
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To say this is prestigious is a huge understatement. This is one of the most highly acclaimed and respected awards anywhere in academia, and very hard to get. In fact I was one of only two awards for this year for the social sciences for this nation. Typically there are hundreds of people competing for any one award.

I'll be living in the city of Makassar (population 1.2 million) on the island of Sulawesi in Indonesia from September of 2008 to June of 2009.
http://www.forumms.com/makassar_today.htm

I'll be teaching at the University of Hasinuddan, which is described as the best university in the eastern half of Indonesia (population 235 million.)
http://www.unhas.ac.id/english/index.php

I couldn't find out their exact enrollment numbers, but the site mentions dorms for 1500 students and an auditorium holding 3000. The number of alumni for all of their colleges is pretty impressive too. The campus looks pretty modern and they have a very prestigious history of research.
http://www.unhas.ac.id/english/index.php?menu=students

I will be teaching Indonesians about the history of tribal peoples and other minorities in the US so they can compare it to their own country's history. And while I'm there I'll be doing research for my next book, looking at tribal soldiers in Asia. This means I'll be looking at how and why members of Indonesian tribal peoples like the Dayaks, Papuans, and Torangans join the military and what their experiences are like.

I want everyone to know that, although I'll be extremely busy both teaching and researching, I will still do my best to be a part of NAFPS. I believe very strongly in the work we do here and it always does my heart good to see all the people we help.

But if it takes a bit longer for me to get back to someone, or if someone wants to call me on the phone or ask me to call them on the phone, keep in mind that's much harder, both for the expense and the time difference (which I think is eighteen hours.)
Keep in mind that there are five other very good moderators here, lots of dedicated NDN actvists, our handful of good friends in Europe, and hundreds of just plain good hearted people and people eager to know more or do more on this issue.

In any case, I won't be leaving until mid August at the earliest and will still be a part of NAFPS. Always. The only thing the crackpots like Yeagley and Lekay and Holzwarth do is make me more determined to carry on.

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Let me also add thaT I will CONTINUE also to do this side project here at www.davidyeagley.org. I'm proud of the fact that Brent and myself, with just a few hours of work a week (at most) have managed to undo most of the damage done by David Yeagley and his racist followers.

Yeagley can't make a move without everyone in Indian Country knowing exactly what he is. His very name is now toxic, turning anything he does, any project he's part of, and any people he works with, into failure.

1. The racist film "Prisoners of the Past" failed utterly in its goal of underminging indigenous traditions worldwide. His inclusion in the film was one of the main reasons it failed, since his presence made it easy to spot the film's white supremacist nature.

2. His attacks on Rudy Youngblood, myself, Brent Michael David, and Michelle Shining Elk all backfired, giving all of us far more support from fellow Indians. Most of Indian Country knows: If David Yeagley says something, it's got to be wrong. If David Yeagley attacks someone, chances are they are worth supporting.

3. Yeagley's attacks on "enemy boards," using his fellow racist and fanatic follower John Martin, only backfired. It still makes me smile to say it: John Martin got kicked off the internet! More to come soon, Martin is facing legal problems for what he's done.

Thanks again to all who have supported myself and Brent in exposing Yeagley and his fellow Klansmen.

John Martin Got Kicked Off The Internet!

2008-04-06T19:33:00.004-06:00

Yes, John Martin AKA Tallsoldier77 AKA LakotaSiouxperman AKA APACHE_NDN AKA dozens of other online identities and claims of being Lakota, Oneida, Cherokee, white fundamentalist, an elderly woman from Pine Ridge, an Airborne Ranger, a Gulf War veteran, and who knows what else....

...finally managed to get himself kicked off of the Indianz.com mesage board a SECOND time!

To which we laugh and point and say, "John Martin got kicked off the internet!"

Martin came to the Indianz.com board at the direct orders of the white supremacist possing as Comanche, David Yeagley. Yeagley wanted him to go after "enemy boards" namely Indianz and also NAFPS. He also wanted Martin to spy on a former member of Badeagle, an elderly Apache veteran, Naiche.

On NAFPS his trolling was a spectacular failure, just exposing more people to the kind of low tactics Yeagley and his supporters would resort to.

On Indianz he was largely a failure as well. Naiche humiliated him repeatedly. Other Indianz members laughed at his attempts to pass as Lakota, Oneida, or whatever tribe he claimed to be from that day. His abusiveness, racism, and threats and libel so alienated most people that at one point a number of Indianz members offered to run him over with a bus.

Most notably, his only supporter was Larry Sampson, an imposter who has set up a fake version of AIM with himself as the sole member. Sampson was also shortly kicked off. Martin also occasionally won the support of Paul Krech, an Anishnaabe carrying a grudge over a white friend being exposed at NAFPS as an exploiter posing as a teacher of Lakota spirituality online.

After bringing to the attention of the Administrators at Indianz.com how Martin was smearing four people as child molestors and rapists, Martin was kicked off of the Indianz board.

Some members at Indianz asked for all the evidence of John Martin being the one and the same Tallsoldier77 and LakotaSiouxperman, as well as his death threats, libel and defamation, and being sent over to the Indianz board to disrupt it.

Presented below is the hard work done by a helpful member of NAFPS, all available as a Google document. If you want to see the original screenshots, go directly to the links.

Thanks again to all the good people at Indianz who supported myself, Brent, Michelle, and the late Mike Two Horses, and stood up to Martin's smear attempts.

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http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dfbhnbn8_44gthnhsgj

This collection of information is to demonstrate that Lakota_Siouxperman ( LSM ) and Tallsoldier77 (TS77) , is the same person , and that this person is a supporter of David Yeagley

This person has a pattern of attacking anyone who publishes substantial criticism of the views presented by David Yeagley.

I have blacked out the statements which falsely state that people committed serious criminal behavior, although these accusations are still published on line.

(there is no reason to believe these allegations are true, and all the evidence suggests this is just an attempt to discredit and intimidate people into silence)

The first thing people need to understand, is why some people criticize David Yeagley.

Yeagley often publishes statements in which he presents himself as authoritative on the grounds he is enrolled as a Comanche Indian, but his statements do not represent the views of the vast majority of American Indians and often serve to undermine respect for tribal sovereignty.

The quotes below should help people understand why someone like Yeagley acting as a spokes person for the Indian community raises objections;

By David Yeagley

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"Superior beauty is in the white race, with its scintillating varieties of color: red, brown, amber, golden hair... green, blue, light brown, gray eyes. In the darker races, everything is always the same, dark brown and black a beastly bore."

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"These days the white woman is expected to humble herself before the darkie."

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"But Hitler was wrong in Mein Kamf (1925), when he accuses the Jewish male of a racial plot. When "the black-haired Jewish youth" finds himself sexually attracted to the fair Aryan maiden, there is no "clear aim of ruining the hated white race" through intermarriage. The Jew himself would breed out, for he is a small minority.

But the masses of darker races don't fear extinction, because they are the vast majority. The white race is the world's minority.

Its Judeo-Christian religion allowed the European Caucasian race to advance above all other people; but the darker races now encroach through integration and intermarriage, in the name of equality and diversity.

Pat Buchanan says that there's something wrong with a race that doesn't care whether it exists or not. In his new book, The Death of The West, he refers to my article, "What's Up With White Women," in which I write about a white girl who has no pride in her race or its accomplishments.

There are dark people who look forward to the end of "whitey."

FrontPageMagazine.com 2/26/2002 LINK

Quoting Yeagley
"Mixed raced people can't help what they are. Their's is no fault. But there is no need to repeat the same, or to advocate more, or to idolize such a condition by perpetuating it. When you realize you're on a wrong path, even if you didn't put yourself on it, the only dignified thing to do is to get back on the right path." LINK

Yeagley also has a reputation supporting groups who oppose Indian sovereignty.

Quoting Yeagley
"I was invited to speak to leaders of Citizens Equal Rights Alliance, United Property Owners, Upstate Citizens for Equality,and One Nation. These organizations represent over a quarter of a million Americans citizens who have personally lost money,property, business, and basic civil rights as the result of aggressions by the Indian casino industry. (Not to mention the income counties and states lose to tax-exempt "Indian" casino business.)"

Quoting Yeagley
"It's their people that created America, not Indians. Only a diabolically self-righteous liberal politician would take America out of the hands that created it, and give it to those who either lost it, or never had anything to do with it." LINK

Quoting David Yeagley
"As a Comanche Indian, I'm sensitive to this history. I believe the conqueror has a right to what he has conquered. No one owns the land. Only he who is strong enough to possess it will control it and the people living on it. That's the law of war." LINK

Quoting Yeagley
“The casino billions are a mysteriously ineffective fix. The reservations now represent a blackhole in America’s Homeland Security system. What greater cause to abolish them? “ LINK

Some more examples of how Yeagley represents Indian people can be seen in the documentary HERE in which Yeagley acted as a spokesperson.

Quoting from the documentary
DAVID YEAGLEY
“When the warrior was finally defeated, he became the reservation Indian” (leaning forehead toward camera for added emphasis).

“The, the loser. The alcoholic. The depressed, keep-away-from-me, leave-me-alone”

DAVID YEAGLEY
Quoting from the above documentary
“The idea that you can build a community with its own government, with its own economy, its own schools, its own language. That’s the idea that many Indian leaders are hoping for. They cut off themselves from participation, from successful positive participation in the world around them”

Both LSM and TS77 are supporters of David Yeagley.

tallsoldier77
Posted: Nov. 26 2006,9:46
“All I am saying is that the self-proclaimed "Fraud-hunter" posts some of the most slanderous and blatant lies I have ever seen, since I joined this forum.

He calls Dr. Yeagley every name in the book. He says that BE.com is a neo-nazi/white supremacist stronghold, I have never seen any post here that supported or re-affirmed the white separatists movement.

I thought this site was primarily concerned with all issues Indian. The personal attacks aimed at Dr. Yeagley were unprovoked and instigated by this person, "Al Carrol", who is not even an Indian, he is Irish/Mexican, I reserve the right to refrain from calling him an Apache, because he has not proven that he is in fact even enrolled with a specific tribe.

I finally decided it was time to call this "Al Carrol" person on his accusations of stating that this site is run by white-supremacists. When I did, Carrol, a so-called "Phd", could only respond with more lies and slander and hate directed at me.

I for one, think the guy is a coward, he has done absolutely nothing but spread a hate filled racist ideology on other forums, particularly his own "NAFPS" web-site. Indians don't care about frauds/rip-offs, most of the Indians I know are too busy trying to survive and hold on to the traditions and customs and ceremonies that were passed down to them from their valiant ancestors.

If this "Al Carrol" person were really concerned about the welfare of the Indian community, he would be using his "Phd." to teach, to help others attain knowledge and through a positive academic enlightenment attain self-esteem and self-reliance. This is what BE.com is all about.” Link

In 2006 Al Carroll started a thread called "A Way to Spread the Truth About Yeagley" on the Indianz,com message board. Here is some of TS77 response to this;

TALLSOLDIER77
Posted - 11/19/2006 : 08:44:52 AM
“Instead of posting useless, slanderous accusations about a man who could intellectually demolish you in a milli-second,”........

“I have the researched the misinformation you call fact, libel and lies, from a lying liar. ...”

TALLSOLDIER77
Posted - 11/19/2006
“This link or website or slanderous propagandist link is almost 2 years old, What's the matter, with all your resources you couldn,'t "Copy and Paste" an article a little more recent?
.....
The links you provide are all out-dated, biased, and circumstantial, provide a real political periodical, that can show how Dr. Yeagley has been a detriment to the "plight" of the American Indian”LINK

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 02/15/2008 : 10:24:58 PM
“I have visited BadEagle.com and have not seen anything problematic or threatening to American Indians. Dr Yeagley is harmless. He has a right to voice his opinion just like that Irish hooligan Al Carroll. It's called the 1st Amendment.........

Then there is his obsession/stalking of this Dr Yeagley person. Dr Yeagley is a relatively benign proponent of Indian affairs, compared to Al, he is a saint. I read one of his articles and found nothing anti-Indian about it:”

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 02/15/2008 : 10:46:11 PM
“Why do you call Dr Yeagley's input on the History Channel garbage? Are you a Comanche historian?

I think Dr Yeagley is harmless because instead of worrying about what he says in is blogs, you should be more concerned about real issues facing many tribes on the brink of cultural extinction. Dr Yeagley is a professional blogger. If you people stopped giving credence to what he writes then he would fade away into oblivion.

Now, the reason I don't like this Irish punk Carroll is because he began calling me a white supremacist. Unbelievable.” LINK

Not only are both LSM and TS77 Yeagley supporters , Yeagley explicitly asked TS77 to keep an eye on “enemy message boards” like Indianz.com.

Quoting
David Yeagley
June 4 , 2007, 2:30
“There is talk now, about Naiche, on the other Indian sites.

It seems that more than one person wrote in under the name "Naiche". His identity was ambiguous from the start. I have never had any arguement with him, personally, and he desired to be dismissed from Bad Eagle so I dismissed him. It's what he wanted. Others have left this way before. He's not the first, and probably won't be the last.

He's already re-connecting with former comrades on Indianz.com, or so itheyi say. These are amoung the anti-Yeagley cadre.

I'm not going to say anything. I have nothing against Naiche> I just wished he would curtail the vulgarity, and take more time to type carefully, and show more respect for others. Thats all.

He had plenty to say but rarely said it.

Under respectful cirtcumstances, he is certainly welcome. he was not banned, just suspended--- a new term I've taken to identify a technical procedure much less complicated than banning. I can suspend someone from posting without banning them . banning rather hurts the site.It is an eye-sore. Suspension can be reversed with a click.

But we will see what course Naiche ---whomever and whom all are using that name--pursues.

Tallsoldier I respect what you are doing. I trust you. Take a look at the sites, the "enemy" sites. See what they are doing. Carroll has already claimed Naiche as a friend, and welcomed him into the anti-Yeagley fold.

So be careful my friend. Beware of liars and traitors. Sometimes, you just have to walk it alone, and be strong. consistency destroys or disarms most of these weaker characters. “ LINK

On Yeagley's message board TS77 credited Yeagley and New Age promoter John Lekay with temporarily silencing the educational information provided by the NAFPS website.

Tallsoldier77
“I told you guys that nut Al Carroll was breaking the law. I can see him now, crying over his laptop, lamenting like a woman.
NOTE: TYPE IN www.newagefraud.org AND SEE WHAT YOU GET!

THANKS TO JOHN LEKAY AND DR. YEAGLEY WE FINALLY NAILED THAT MEXICAN S.O.B.”

David Yeagley
Posted: Aug. 01 2007,10:18
“Brent's site has been down almost a week!
But I can still get a page for Carroll's blog, the one he calls DavidYeagley.org.
You mean his Nu-ager Fraud site? Wow. That's a big step. That really is good news.
There surely must be more actions to come.
This is amazing... “Link

The link below goes to a long dialog with TS77 AKA (John Martin ) saying many things to discredit Al Carroll . In one comment he says and the main reason the NAFPS web site got shut temporarily down, was because of Al Carroll's web blog on David Yeagley (screen shot to the specific comment is in the lower link)

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/08/06/18439218.php?show_comments=1#18440799
See ya in Lawton Brent.............lol by Bullet proof vest Wednesday Aug 15th, 2007 11:10 PM
.........Carroll is now under investigation by the LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT for, among other things "identitiy theft". He has revealed the personal info, i.e. addresses, phone numbers, places of employemnt of his victims. Al Carroll is a cultural menace, an extremely mentally disturbed individual. He has done more damage to the Native American Community than any other racist in history. Go to http://www.davidyeagley.org and get a taste of what Carroll is dishing out. This is the primary reason why he was kicked off the internet, he will of course blame and name others, however, when the dust settles, it is Carroll who stands alone, a beacon to those who enjoy bashing American Indians.
John Martin (Enrolled Oglala, Lakota).
“http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfbhnbn8_33hhs666g7

The comments above are only a few examples of many that have been made by both LSM and TS77 showing support for Yeagley.

Lakota_Siouxperman more or less admitted he was the same person as Tallsoldier77in the post below;

BMD
Posted - 03/21/2008 : 11:05:04 AM
I run an expose site, exposing lies, the post included John Martin's false claims of military prowess, and in response a blogger sent me factual corrections: Martin was a file clerk, is NOT single (as he was initiating relationships with females on myspace under fake personas), and has a wife and kids (with links to prove it). Nothing more, no mountains here, just mole hills.

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 03/21/2008 : 1:31:31 PM Show Profile Reply with Quote
Brent Come on man. Do I have to show my DD-214 to shut you up? I was an 11Bravo, I was an Airborne Infantry grunt. I served my country with honor and distinction. What have you done for this country?
LINK

So LSM must be TS77

And there is more;

Below is a message written by Tallsoldier77 and posted by Lakotasiouxperman on the THE FIGHTING CHEYENNE message board

LAKOTASIOUXPERMAN (Original Message) Sent: 7/16/2007 5:38 AM

IS AL CARROLL AN APACHE OR JUST ANOTHER FRAUD?
(the article)
signed
THANKS,
TALLSOLDIER77
LINK

THE FIGHTING CHEYENNE
From: tallsoldier77 (Original Message) Sent: 7/15/2007 8:41 PM
IS AL CARROLL AN APACHE OR JUST ANOTHER FRAUD? LINK

Someone on Indianz.com noticed this above website and pointed it out, thinking Lakota_Siouxperman was TS77 who had been banned from the message board a year before;

multiplied by twilights
Posted - 11/07/2007 : 4:16:35 PM
Originally posted by Elvira-40DD-25-38
"Lakota Siousperman is TALLSOLDIER77!"

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 11/07/2007 : 4:26:37 PM
“Nice try. I have been using LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN for about 10 years now.This "tallsoldier" guy stole it from me in July. What's the matter? Nothing better to do than stalk people.”LINK

TS77 stole the name LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN from where?

10 years of using an on line name is a long time . Where else on the net has that name got used besides in the past year on Indianz.com ? And why if someone stole a user name that had been his for 10 years is LSM acting like he doesn't understand the confusion this caused ?

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 11/07/2007 :
“Michelle
This Elvira person is playing games. Who the hell is Dr. Yeagly? Who the hell is John
Swifthawk/Martin? I think Elvira is that "rain-drops" girl who got mad at me because I was not returning her PM's.
This whole can of worms is a bunch of lies. But why me? I don't understand. I know who I am, that's all that matters to me.”LINK

This sounds like complete bullshit because Lakota_Siouxperman has already claimed Tallsoldier stole his ID in July .

1. He knows who TS / John Martin is because he said the guy stole his user name;

2. He knows " Why me" . Someone thinking he is John Martin when they have used the Internet name is not at all surprising

3. Knowing all this how can it be honest to blaming Elvira for the confusion?

The exact same message is posted on wikipedia by TS77

IS AL CARROLL AN APACHE OR JUST ANOTHER FRAUD?
(Same article) HERE

The exact same message has been posted twice on Indianz,com by LSM.

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN Posted - 01/11/2008 :
"I received this interesting PM from someone calling herself "Firechica" it's actually someone on this forum, but to avoid CBT's (Carroll's) stalker behavior, I will respect their privacy. It's one of the many PM's people have sent me about the pitiful Chief Taco Bell:
IS AL CARROLL AN APACHE OR JUST ANOTHER FRAUD?"
(same article)LINK

HAPPY ST PATRICK'S DAY AL CARROLL
LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
IS AL CARROLL AN APACHE OR JUST ANOTHER FRAUD?
Apache or Mexican?
(same article) LINK

Below his new explanation as to where he got the article he previously posted and said he received in a PM

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN Posted - 03/19/2008 : 2:27:52 PM
“I got that post from another web-site. I thought it was an accurate assessment of "doctor" Carroll”. LINK

And in explanation of where LSM supposedly found his most recent post of this same article , he posted the link below;

http://my2point2cents.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/spirits-for-sale/

The above link goes to an article written by an associate of John Lekay a non native promoter of New Age exploiters of Indian culture, who was previously supported by TS77. This article was written to try and discredit the movie Spirits for Sale, which features many recognize traditional Indian leaders and which was made to educate the public about the damage being done to traditional culture and ceremonies by ignorance and commercialization . Even though they hadn't yet seen this movie, both TS77 and LSM have ignored or defamed the many recognized Elders who are given a voice in this movie, and have repeatedly posted information on message boards to discredit recognized American Indian leaders.

Below are several screen shots of TS77 once again trying to discredit both this film and the many traditional Elders who made it.

(there is no reason to believe these allegations are true, and all the evidence suggests this is just an attempt to intimidate people into silence)

Screen shot of TS77 on Yeagley's message board complaining about the film, and Yeagley suggesting both Al Carroll And BMD are perverts;
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfbhnbn8_21gmgr84gx

Screen shot of TS77 once again trying to discredit both this film and the many traditional Elders who made it.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfbhnbn8_2858dkwpcv

Screen shot of TS77trying to discredit Al Carroll and the film Spirits for Sale.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfbhnbn8_30fd4xm7gq

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 03/18/2008 : 3:25:11 PM
“Why can’t Al Carroll exploit his own” tribe”? What is an admitted non-Indian doing commenting on Native Spirituality in the first place? How come Al won’t reveal his Apache “ancestry? This Swedish lady, Annika Banfield is exploiting an old Lakota man, Looking Horse. She and Al don’t give a damn about real Lakota issues, i.e. addiction, domestic violence, unemployment, teen suicide, hopelessness etc; That’s why she sent your CD back Mr. Luke.

Mrs. Banfield is just another euro new age Indian groupie. Her and “doctor” Carroll are making a mockery of and desecrating Lakota Spirituality. Mrs. Banfield is now publicly lamenting because she was not able to recoup her financial losses because her film flopped.”

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 03/19/2008 : 2:33:29 PM
“Knowing that your film would offend the Lakota people why did you make it in the first place? Why couldn't you have used Al's tribe? The Mescalero Apache? You owe the Lakota an apology.”LINK

Lakota_Siouxperman and Tallsoldier77 have so many of the exact same feelings about things. Must be because they are both are enrolled Oglala Lakota from Pine Ridge living in California;

TALLSOLDIER77
Posted - 11/19/2006 : 3:59:55 PM
“I am an Oglala, Lakota, my beloved mother and father are from Pine Ridge.”LINK

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 02/15/2008 : 10:46:11 PM
“I am a fully enrolled member of the Oglala, Lakota out of Pine Ridge, SD, as were both my parents. I have been very candid about my proud Lakota Lineage.”LINK

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 03/10/2008 : 1:41:54 PM
“Lot's of people losing their homes out here in Calif. It's sad. They got in over their heads with those variable rates when the market was on fire. The Govt. May have to step in.”LINK

TALLSOLDIER77
Posted - 10/15/2006 : 04:13:15 AM
"it's only 1:12am here in Los Angeles........Kat.
TS77" LINK

Both LSM and TS77 have attacked the people who publish substantial criticism of Yeagley.

Michel Shiningelk criticized Yeagly
http://michelleshiningelk.blogspot.com/
TS77 publicly accused her of being a pedophile, something she found so ridiculous - as a woman - she has published screen shots of these accusations in her blog;

(there is no reason to believe this allegation is true, and all the evidence suggests this is just an attempt to intimidate people into silence)

Friday, March 9, 2007
“What's more, the TS77 wants to cry and whine around like a little baby when he feels those he has attacked, attack him via his family -- talk about crying wolf and a tried and true bi-polar narcissistic hypocrite. When he posted photos of some children (see below) who he claims are on "his" soccer team and under that photo (see below) he calls me a pedophile (?), sick and twisted (?) and then threatens me to stay away from his children??? He is crazy! Deeeee deeeee deeeeee! The volume on the circus music playing in his head must be so loud it is clouding his ability to act rationally, or like a normal person. Uh, TS77, thanks for demonstrating that you are the pedophile here. And my, wouldn't the soccer moms of these children be interested in learning that you are using their children in your own sick, twisted and perverted manner - posting photos of unsuspecting and innocent people TS77, I mean really. You really are a dim wit. ....”
Posted by Michelle R. Shining Elk “LINK

Brent Micheal Davids has a blog criticizing Yeagley
http://www.badeagle.org/

In a similar way, he also gets repeatedly publicly attacked and unfairly defamed

One post that accused BMD of serious criminal activity is not included here, as it is now modified and by including a screen shot I might further damage this persons reputation.

(there is no reason to believe these allegations are true, and all the evidence suggests this is just an attempt to intimidate people into silence)

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 02/18/2008 : 6:14:22 PM
“Isn't Brent Michael Davids the winkte/chubby gay guy who posted pics of little children on his website? Figures he and crazy Al are internet "bed-fellows". BMD as I am told he goes by is some morbidly obese pervert who stalks little kids.”

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 02/18/2008 : 6:25:13 PM
“The massive coronary waiting to happen Brent Michael Davids.
Miss Davids the winkte has been known to post pictures of little children on his website. So if you have any pics of kids on here, delete then ASAP! The guy is a fat pervert.”LINK

Al Carrol has a blog criticizing Yeagley
http://www.davidyeagley.org/

and Al Carrol runs a message board which educates non native people on how to avoid empowering frauds and exploiters who pose as Native leaders when they aren't .
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/

Al Carrol also gets repeatedly publicly attacked and unfairly defamed ;

(there is no reason to believe these allegations are true, and all the evidence suggests this is just an attempt to intimidate people into silence)

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN Posted - 03/06/2008 : 7:18:37 PM
“What's the matter Carroll, no shamans to stalk or is your Russian porn site down? I have been hearing rumors that you were mixed up in some rape scandal involving two female Asian students while you defrauded the Dept of Education by claiming Indian status to receive grants. So you are a cheat and a liar. Let's see you worm your way out of this.
I received this e-mail from a very reliable source at ASU. They told me to let everyone here know the truth:”
AL CARROLL IS A PERVERTED SEX-OFFENDER!!" LINK

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 02/19/2008 : 1:07:44 PM
“Al, you are the biggest coward/idiot on this forum. You know that your flabby friend posted pics of innocent little children on his stupid website. He is almost as big of a pervert as you and your Russian porn fiasco. You called me a white supremacist. Now prove it. You are so full of shyt. What kind of Apache are you supposed to be? Tell fatboy to stick to what he does best: BLOWING THINGS!”LINK

LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 03/16/2008 : 03:32:05 AM
“Irony is a strange thing. Funny a person who comitted sex offenses while a grad student at ASU would even stoop so low to say such a thing. "Doctor" you should be ashamed of yourself. Al Carroll is the biggest Irish joker out there, Happy St. Paddy's day "doctor".”LINK

Both TS and LSM constantly lie about Al to discredit him. For example look what was said when Al Carroll started the topic "A Way to Spread the Truth About Yeagley" on the Indianz.com message board.

(there is no reason to believe these allegations are true, and all the evidence suggests this is just an attempt to discredit and intimidate people into silence)

DrAlCarroll 11/18/2006
“Yeagley's been using Wikipedia to spread an awful lot of lies, false claims about who he is and what his "achievements" are..”

TALLSOLDIER77
Posted - 11/19/2006 : 08:44:52 AM
“Instead of posting useless, slanderous accusations about a man who could intellectually demolish you in a milli-second,......”
“I have the researched the misinformation you call fact, libel and lies, from a lying liar. ...”
“Your "site" is woefully trying to solicit funds to "keep" your little "organization" alive. BAD EAGLE.COM does not have a pathetic, telethon like, "tote board" begging for cash like a lost derelict.”.....
“What's wrong "Carrol"? You can't go out and obtain meaningful employment, or are you just to lazy and un-marketable?
Your web-site is the only one I see that is desperate and willing to go to any lengths to "rip-off" unsuspecting "subscribers". Tell me "Carrol", what do your supporters receive in return for giving to your so-called "non-profit" organization? Please, do not tell me that the evil rhetoric and arrogant lies you preach, to these clowns here at this Zoo, is it?
You are a greedy, lazy little man who is trying to "tap" into the Native American community to fund your archaic, incompetent on-line con-game?”

TALLSOLDIER77
Posted - 11/19/2006 : 3:59:55
“He is using Dr. Yeagley here to get people to "contribute" funds to keep his web-site, up and running, so to speak. “ LINK

Screen Shot showing more of the type of defamatory messages being posted about Al Carroll BY TS77
(there is no reason to believe these allegations are true, and all the evidence suggests this is just an attempt to discredit and intimidate people into silence)

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfbhnbn8_35gw2w7dht

AL CARROLL'S WIERD CYBER-STALKING
LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
Posted - 02/14/2008 : 1:59:22 PM.
“The coward Al Carroll is knee deep...........
I just find it really creepy that some psycho (Carroll) has nothing better to do than to stalk me. I think Al Carroll engages in this deviant behavior to deflect attention away from his non-Indian status.
.........
Along with his cyber-stalking Carroll is also a pathological liar:
1. Al Carroll lied about being Apache, he’s not even Indian. ........
2. AL Carroll defrauded the Dept. of Education by stating he was Indian to get grants to pay for his wasted education.
3. Al Carroll lied about being a full tenured Professor of History, when he is in fact, just some cheesy part-time high school teacher.
4. Al Carroll has made numerous personal attacks against Indians on this forum. (Ajibik, Myself etc;).
I could nail that sorry S.O.B. for calling me an advocate of white supremacy, but never showing proof of his outlandish allegations. Put up or shut the phuck up Al. Then there is his blatant homophobia. This is really bizarre because his life partner is some other idiot named Brent Michael David’s, a full blown gay guy. So Al’s a hypocrite too. LINK

True to his word he does try and nail Al Carroll and anyone else in a position to put a dent in Yeagley's credibility;

AL CARROLL'S WIERD CYBER-STALKING
LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN
“Finally, you little shyt Carroll, you had better get down on your knees and pray our paths never cross. I will give $100.00 bucks to anyone who can prove that Carroll is Apache. Every Apache I have talked to has never heard of him.
So keep telling your lies Al. One of these days those lies are going to get you into a world of hurt.”LINK

To be fair , it needs to be stated that TS77 and LSM are not the only ones who have engaged in mud slinging . There has been statements made on all side which have questionable merit and which may not be true .

The blogs which keep track of Yeagley have a legitimate purpose in keeping people informed about what this guy is up to , but not everything in these blogs seems to be relevant to the public interest.

Comments have been made about Yeagley speculating he may be gay, that he may have had plastic surgery to look more Indian, and that maybe Yeagley isn't an Indian and was enrolled by mistake.

Yeagley does enough offensive stuff that can be proven , nobody needs to distract from the truth , by trying to humiliate the guy with unproven speculation.

There has been comments have been made about TS77 / LSM's lack of knowledge of his culture, his general character , and his intelligence or lack of it, and though this may be a fair evaluation considering his behavior , some of the inflammatory language may have made it unclear who was stalking and harassing who.

I think it is important to remember that posting insulting comments about someones online character, is entirely different than publicly accusing someone of immoral or criminal activities that they did not commit.

One of the main points TS77 and LSM like to harass Al about is who are his Apache relatives . Why would he want to tell anyone who his relatives are with TS77 making death threats and seeming like he has a loose screw – or worse that he is intentionally harassing people who support First Nations sovereignty ?

BMD
Posted - 02/18/2008 : 5:19:53 PM
"Everybody that posted on this board when John Martin aka Tall Soldier was on here w/ his militia style attacks & threts to go to peeps houses & attack there familys...that crap got him banned here...He was obsessed w/ Dr. Carroll then too. Hell U can reconize the SOB by his constant Carroll threads. & only a fool woud think this Lakotasiouxperman aint TS"
Yes, LS and TS77 are both John Martin, the death-threat answering-machine stalker, posting a thread as one ID and responding to it as another. Lame. LINK

BMD
Posted - 03/20/2008 : 1:25:23 PM
“Actually, Martin posted the photos himself in some flicker-type internet site, and another blogger forwarded the links to badeagle.ORG (the truth-telling site, not the Yeagley blog), where NO photos appeared at any time, only TEXT links to photos briefly appeared.
Since the original uploads were by Martin himself, and posted on a public site, BadEagle.org had no legal or moral compulsion to remove the text links, but I personally removed the text links out of sympathy for Martin's request. Nothing more.

Contrarily, Martin left many death threats on my answering machine, his response to my kindness. Those wishing to hear the threats can simply go and listen to them, they are a matter of public record now:”LINK

http://www.brentmichaeldavids.com/johnmartincalls.html

More of TS77 making crazy sounding death threats on Indianz.com are posted in the link below;
HERE

Michelle Shiningelk
Friday, March 9, 2007
“When he posted photos of some children (see below) who he claims are on "his" soccer team and under that photo (see below) he calls me a pedophile (?), sick and twisted (?) and then threatens me to stay away from his children??? He is crazy!”LINK

Ajibik is another poster on Indianz who often supports LSM . They appear to be friends . It may just be internet posturing, but Ajibik's use of threatening images in his posts, together with the suggestion he has some sort of affiliation with the Hell's Angles might be more than a little intimidating to some people.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfbhnbn8_39g5fxhd6p

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfbhnbn8_37fgkmnpd4

In conclusion, the person posting under the user name LAKOTA_SIOUXPERMAN is almost certainly the same person as the person posting under the user name TALLSOLDIER77.

This person is a supporter of David Yeagley and harasses anyone who is in a position to make a serious dent in Yeagley's credibility.

Protecting free speech is a good thing, but if people exercising their free speech get threatened, stalked , harassed and have their reputations seriously damaged by having intentionally malicious lies spread about them , is peoples right to free speech really being protected by ignoring this sort of abuse ?

And when the people who are doing this harassment are supporters of someone like David Yeagley, isn't supporting this harassment, supporting people who are undermining the respect for Indian people ?

This situation can't be judged only on enrollment , as if nobody who was enrolled ever got manipulated into betraying their own people.

Badeagle "A Website Where Very Few Indians Comment": Yeagley Gets Torn Apart at His Own Forum

2008-03-23T14:11:00.004-06:00

The latest article from Brent Michael David's www.badeagle.org features Yeagley getting his head handed to him at his own forum. Yeagley's role in the white supremacist film "Prisoners of the Past" gets him some stinging criticism from an ACTUAL Indian, who points out correctly that:

1. Yeagley was no innocent as he claims. In fact he's long bragged about how central a role he played in this racist Danish film intended to preach AGAINST indigenous people worldwide.

2. Yeagley had no right to claim to speak for the Comanche Nation, and was only chosen because he was the kind of professional token that racists love.

3. The film just made Yeagley even more of an outcast among the Comanches than he already was.

That last point does not bother Yeagley at all. After all, he knows he has virtually no actual Indians as supporters. Badeagle.com is a white racist site, including its imposter of an owner.

---------

3/22/2008
The Yeagley Logic, "Psychologically Speaking"
from the Bad Eagle blog

Yes, every so often, Bad Eagle dot ORG chances across some truth telling on Yeagley’s blog. Unfortunately, it does not come from him, however. Let’s tune-in to a recent string of comments, and see what’s shakin’ over at Yeagley’s white supremacy blog. From what I see, it seems to be a squabble over who is a real Indian and who is not, plus a recognition of Yeagley’s huge error in speaking on behalf of the Comanche People in the propaganda film Historiens Fångar.

For more backstory on Yeagley’s support for the film, and leadership role in it as the official Comanche spokesperson, you can go HERE and HERE. Okay, let’s tune-in and see what’s going on at the great white throne blog:

BE Member — “DAY-Your refusal to accept any responsibility for actions or efforts concerning your documentary and the Comanche tribe is quite understandable.

Your bridge to Lawton is burned and you know it. Why waste time admitting fault when it won't unmake the film, reverse time or placate the enemies you've already made in the tribe. And it won't look manly to your BE audience if you admit any wrong doing. Better to turn tail and return to your true family.

Stick to what you do best, playing Indian. Forget trying to forge ties with the Comanche, they'll never trust you after this debacle. Forget trying to appeal to actual Indians, they were lost to you long ago. Yup, you've made the right choice.

Continue to play Indian by creating an Indian persona that the white-wing demands. Native stereotypes were created by your blood ancestors so you are following their traditions. Besides, it too damn hard to play catch-up and become a real Indian!

You must revel in the role of the anti-Indian Indian. That's double the "Indian"! And it's paid the bills so far, hasn't it?

Look, by blood you're far more white than Indian. Your appeal, as shown by the makeup of your audience, is white. And your love of the white throne makes your return to your white-wing family all the more timely and appropriate.

Hail the returning hero! Welcome home!
Phew. Some jen-you-ighn truth-tellin’ is goin’ down over at the white throne, for sure. Hallelujah.

BE Member — “On April 17, 2007 DAY wrote in the Latest Announcements forum under the heading "European TV, Indian documentary" DAY wrote:

"I'm involved in an intense few days of filming for a documentary on American Indians, about modern issues, for a European TV company. I'll let everyone know the details later.... [Yeagley]

"The History Channel episode I did was about the old days. This new doc is about modern issues, like casinos, education, trying to make it in the world, reservations, etc., you know, all the things I'm a perfect authority on. :D [Yeagley]

"Don't worry, I've lined up the "real" Indians, just like I did for the History Channel. Yeah, I'll get my two beads worth in, but, I always line up the elders when they're available. I want them to speak. " [Yeagley]

DAY obviously feels he is an active participant in this film project. He knows the subject matter ‘modern issues, like casinos, education, trying to make it in the world, reservations, etc.’ and feels he is the ‘perfect authority’. The emoticon used a big goofy smile which expresses an unbound joy for this opportunity.

"I've lined up the "real" Indians, just like I did for the History Channel," [Yeagley]

writes DAY. The statement confirms the depth of his involvement in the project.

On April 25, 2007 under the same heading DAY writes:

"The Danish crew was quite happy with their opportunities at the Comanche Nation College... [Yeagley]

"I made the connections for all this... So, this is the second major TV documentary I have helped put together. And yes, they did interview (me), too. (I was the first person they called, same as the History Channel thing in 2005. I think it's those nasty remarks I've made about casinos, and those support remarks I've made about mascots..." [Yeagley]

If you were going to make a negative film about Indians, who would be the first person you'd call?

On Nov. 21, 2007 in the BE Comanche Nation forum, Comanche History section under the heading ‘Comanche Warriors', A program displaying the Comanche Wars’ DAY wrote:

"HistoryChannel called me... HC found me through media. [Yeagley]

"I helped them shape the whole program. I said if they really wanted to make it authentic, and different, they absolutely had to interview our elder women... [Yeagley]
"
I know Comanches never wore those high plains chokers, but, I had brought different things, and gave the filmers their choice...what do I know about film impressions, right? [Yeagley]

I recently helped put together another one, for Danish Television (like PBS). I haven't got the latest word on that one. Once again, I insisted that they feature certain women, this time Geneva Navarro, one of our language experts, and the woman that runs our nursing program at our small college, Carlotta Nowell." [Yeagley]

DAY thinks of himself as a film producer,

"I helped them shape the whole program." [Yeagley]

DAY knows about costuming for films,

"I know Comanches never wore those high plains chokers, but, I had brought different things, and gave the filmers their choice." [Yeagley]

DAY is a producer for the Comanche segment of the documentary,

"I recently helped put together another one, for Danish Television...Once again, I insisted that they feature certain women..." [Yeagley]

In conclusion, DAY is not the deceived, innocent filmmaking neophyte he now claims to be and he knew exactly the purpose of this film.

Or DAY is merely a boorish, boastful, self-agrandizer who was deceived ‘Borat’-style by his own self-importance and a right-wing Danish film crew.

You decide.”

Whoo Doggie! Lotta good points in that post, yes-sur-ree. I especially like the fact that the piano doctor brought some chokers for everyone to wear on camera, nice hollywood touch, psychologically speaking.

Yeagley — “The film does not tell the whole story. Granted. It was given the whole story. For now, you have to believe me on that one. Mr. Heilbut has mentioned to me "the whole film." I want to hope there will be a different, more complete version.

I cannot help it because there are so few students attending our little college. But, if it is not accredited, why would any student want to go there?”
Hold up there Bucko! The video was in fact wrong in several facts, not simply omitting facts. And, the Comanches ain’t gonna look too kindly on yur slappin’ all the students goin’ there. If I was you, I’d think twice ‘bout sayin’ stuff like that in public.

Yeagley — “We had a nursing training program, and we had graduates from that who could pass the state LPN license test, and get a job. I was really proud of that. I sent them to Carlotte Nowell. I don't know what happened to that. It was a but rushed.”

So, wait, the piano doctor is a nursing guidance counselor? Amazing hidden talents and profoundly ulterior credentials this piano player stashes away for a rainy day! ... psychologically speaking.

BE Member — “The Comanche Nation would've said thing differently than you because they don't think the same way you do.”
That’s true, they very clearly don’t think like Yeagley, and that’s a good thing.

BE Member — “I accuse you of not using better judgement. You lead them to the right people when it's those very people who should've done the leading and deciding if they wanted to participate with plenty of time to say yes or no. You just showed up...
Good point, and absolutely true.

BE Member — “...you're always bringing Juedo-Chrisitan stuff into every forum. If anyone is mixing cultural values you are just as guilty. There's no more Indian or less Indian about this. It's about doing what is right when it comes to the Comanche Nation.
True again. Who is this BE Member? You ain’t gonna last long in there with this kinda talk, little david takes easy offense and likes playing a victim from such cavalier tete-a-tete.

BE Member — “Do you have the authority to speak for the Comanche? Do you have the authority to decide what they should participate in? Does being an enrolled member entitle you to such authority?
Aw yeah, we concur! Well, shucks, let’s take a gander at those questions ourselves, shall we?

Does Yeagley have the authority to speak for the Comanche? That’d be no.

Does Yeagley have the authority to decide what Comanches should participate in? That’d be ‘nother no.

Does being an enrolled Comanche entitle you to such authority? Again, nada.

Well, that ain’t so difficult. Wonder why little david ducks those questions. hmm.

BE Member — “... Again, I'll speculate that you didn't participate in this on behalf of the Comanche, however, it should've been up to the tribal government to say whatever they were going to say on such delicate issues.”
This video was being sent out all over the TV right? So, let me get this correct, the piano doctor stepped in as the official Comanche spokesperson? Wow, seems kinda arrogant, not letting the Comanche officials field that responsibility.

BE Member — “Most tribes have a spokesperson or media person who does the official speaking for the nation if the tribal chair deligates that task. If a project has to do with history/culture than the person in that position does the speaking for the tribe. That person is in that position for a reason.
Exactly.

BE Member — “It isn't a matter of can or cannot. Any tribal member can do all the speaking they want. DY can speak all he wants on the Comanche, however, other Comanches may look at him and question "who is he to speak about the Comanche?" That's just one of many questions I'm sure some Comanches have asked themselves.
Comanches have done more than ask themselves that, over and over again. Remember when Yeagley claimed his mother was the first woman elected to office? That mob of concerned Comanche women who confronted him outside the offices, didn’t think too highly of his public speaking that day, I can tell you. Sorta makes one withdraw a level of trust in someone who falsifies lineage and accomplishments in such a public way, don’t it?

BE Member — “Now if you're talking credentials, what credentials does DY have? He doesn't have a history degree, but he does have a degree. As far as I know he doesn't hold any position in the Tribal Administration. Has he written any books on Comanches? Or is it just that he has a website and is an enrolled Comanche? Ward Churchill felt his enrollment status (we know otherwise) gave him entitlement and authority to write all kinds of stuff about Indians, especially the Lakota Sioux tribe and their most recent history. Because he wrote such stuff he was an ‘expert’ in his mind, but anyone really can write all they want about Indians, even Indians and they do.”
Absolutely yes. It’s not a matter of degrees earned or intelligence, it’s a matter of being called upon by the Comanche community to speak on their behalf. That’s generally not something one person can do by themselves, the authority and permission must come from the Comanche people, or by way of the officials already entrusted with that responsibility.

BE Member — “... I expect more from DY in how he chooses projects and such to work on. I've been approached by some documentarians on Yavapai issues and such. I suppose I could do all the talking I want, but I leave that for the people in my tribe to talk about. It's my place as a member of the tribe to direct people seeking information to the right people. If they want my opinion I'll consider the offer, but most times I choose not to, not because I doubt myself, but because I have allegiance to the tribe and know that the people in those types of positions are the best to supply information especially for something so large...

DY has said things that are true to him from his perspective based on his upbringing. He shouldn't be at all surprised by the reaction of so many other Indians as many of us don't see eye to eye on a lot of his views of Indians.

We’d put that a bit more directly, that what the piano doctor imagines as “true” does not match what is considered true within the Comanche community. And yes, his rather supremacist activities do seem to be regarded as an anti-Indian sentiment by the Comanche people at large. Is this BE Member headed for a banishment from Yeagley’s blog?

Yeagley — “... Frankly, this story isn't over. I provided everyone with the contact information about the producer of the program... I think there will be more to come in the way of the rest of the film. That's what I'm being told. We'll see.”
That doesn’t sound so good to us, more of this racist propaganda video to come? No, not good at all. I’m sure the makers are promising Yeagley all the same things they did the first time, too. So of course he knows the overall direction and purpose of the video — to undermine indigenous sovereignty.

Yes, Yeagley should apologize to the Comanche people in a big public way, for a start. Second, he should find ways to start making amends to the Comanche Nation. Not that the remedies would truly erase the initial racism, but the Comanche people themselves could make that determination, generally speaking.

Yeagley — “...still hung up on the ‘apology’ bit? Well, it's a girl thing, I suppose. Apologies are very meaningful to women, generally speaking... I don't see that the concept applies to this situation at all... no Indian has ever apologized to me about anything. It's an alien concept. There are many mean women out there. An apology from them would not have much meaning.”
A ‘girl’ thing? Wow, sexism too. You sure can find it all at Yeagley’s supremacist blog, no doubt. But, let me get this straight; little david won’t apologize because it’s a ‘girl thing’ and therefore his apology to the Comanches won’t mean anything as a result? Implying that his apology would be a girl apology? A 'girl apology' coming from David Yeagley? That’s very interesting, considering that about half of the Comanche population is female. Very interesting, psychologically speaking. Very interesting in deed.

Yeagley — “I'm more than qualified to talk about the things I talked about. This was a national thing. These were national perspectives, and yes, international. One has to have been around a little bit to speak from that perspective.”
Actually, little david is not qualified to represent the Comanches in any TV video without permission from the Comanche officials, no. Yeagley’s claims of speaking from a ‘national’ or ‘international’ perspective is blatantly false. If you actually read what he said HERE, you can see that he was specifically referring to Comanche life. He was ranting on about how troubled Comanche life is to a national and international audience, yes.

But Yeagley’s perspective was not from a wider perspective no. The nationalistic remarks came from recognized supremacist Keith Windschuttle and Oklahoma’s own Barb Lindsay of One Nation United, the acknowledged white supremacist organization with which Yeagley himself aligns. In fact, Yeagley and Lindsay have co-authored several anti-sovereignty articles arguing that tribes are subservient to states and not the federally recognized nations we currently are.

No, in the video propaganda TV program, Yeagley mainly took direct swipes at the Comanche Nation and at the Comanche Nation College. Of course, when Yeagley says he guided the videographers to Comanche ‘leaders,’ what he really means is that he led them to One Nation United and Barb Lindsay. The result is that Yeagley along with his supremacist companion Lindsay took the main stage as official spokespeople for the Comanches.

I wonder if little david will ever acknowledge his wrong doing, or come to apologize to the Comanches for his personal foolishness. The Comanches certainly deserve an apology, a big one, and a very public one, along with a deep effort at fixing his bigoted blunders on their behalf. And a good start would be to answer the BE Member’s simple questions.

BE Member — “No, don't consider myself qualified and I'll always defer to the elders on who is. I thought it was an honest question from her that you either ignored or overlooked. I wanted an answer as well and now I have it. Since you spoke for me and my family, no, it isn't irrelevant.”
Looks like at least one BE Member is an Indian, and not happy about Yeagley usurping a self-indulged phony authority to be a Comanche spokesperson.

Yeagley — “That is a wrong thing to say... It is utterly disrespectful. But it is also very typical of the mind-set among many Indians. This is why there little social progress. Condemnation, reprimand, resentment, disagreement--over nothing. Over abstolutely nothing.”
What?! Indians don’t get upset when someone else speaks for us? I guess we must like being told what to do and what to think, and relish the many inaccurate histories and fake mascots written on our behalf without our input, and that shape our lives. Yes, that’s it, we must actually like being slaves in our own country. Boy, that is “nothing” sure. Absolutely nothing to be concerned about. I feel all warm and comfy inside now, thank you for sharing.

In reality, the questions by the BE Member to little david are totally reasonable, and answerable. Yeagley again turns to attack his questioner rather than respond to the issues under consideration. Of course, Indians apologize all the time, and Yeagley’s so-called ‘manly’ postering is not Comanche at all, not even particularly Indian; it seems more like some type of psychological insecurity by all appearances, and that’s not an affliction that is confined to indigenous cultures as a rule.

Social ‘progress’ is probably a myth at best, like mistakenly applying the ideas about evolution to social order, when evolution is a biological method of change in a process, not an proactive agenda. Yeagley is simply confusing factual principles of scientific biology and erroneously applying those observational results to his pragmatic and socially supremacist propaganda campaign.

Contrarily, Indians regard the issue of sovereignty, and the inherent right to make our own decisions and speak for ourselves as of supreme importance. It is very revealing that little david regards the effort to preserve Indian sovereignty from assimilation into the larger world as “absolutely nothing.” It shows that he is psychologically disconnected from Indian thought and life, probably from birth, generally speaking.

Yeagley — “You obviously have not bothered to watch the film. This is gossip mongering, and you have no right to comment... You are utterly out of place in what you are saying. You don't know what the Comanche segment of the film was about... So why are you commenting?”
Actually, it’s rather easy to see and hear what Yeagley said, just go HERE (and scroll down a little).

Yeagley — “No one speaks for the Comanches but... People come to me for interviews. I talk. If you have a problem with this, I'm sorry... This is so very petty and very wrong. This is the attitude of Juanita Podahpony as well. I spoke in Nyack, New York a few years ago, on Indian mascots. The town highschool had the Nyack Indian logo, and invited me to speak.

The Nyack (Rockland county) news paper was apparently contacted by Juanita... She got an interview, and said, "I'm Comanche. I'm educated. Why didn't they ask me to speak?"

Now, isn't that glorious? Isn't that a wonderful representation of grandeur of spirit, of transcendent class and generosity? Isn't that a grand representation of the Comanche people. "Why didn't they ask me to speak?"

I hope you can get a sense of the crippling spirit so often manifest among Indians.”
Ooooo, another not-so-nice thing to say about your own alleged people, ‘crippled spirits’ are they? Not nice at all, especially considering Yeagley’s own status outside the Comanche community.

To be clear, Juanita voicing her concern was not ego-based. It was a public objection to Yeagley wrongly setting himself up as a Comanche spokesperson, the same transgression that currently landed him in hot water with the propaganda video. Yeagley, in his apparent egocentric mindset, mistakenly regards Juanita’s efforts in NY as a selfish attempt to garner media exposure for herself. She was objecting to Yeagley's arrogant self-aggrandizing, plain and simple.

But the truth is that Yeagley isn’t being truthful here, he has failed to recognize the truth both in NY and in the propaganda video — that he is not a spokesperson for Comanches and the Comanches don’t like when he does it. He obviously has no interest in being part of the tribal community, either in the past incident or in the current one. Another possible answer would be that Yeagley is a slow learner, psychologically speaking.

Yeagley — “It's all because some people disagree with what I say. Nothing other than that simple starting point. The rest is, I'm afraid, pure envy. Envy by people who simply don't know what they're talking about, and who, in fact, are not very educated... I think your concerns are wholly unfounded, and it is inappropriate for you to accuse me of anything, because you simply don't know what matters you are addressing here.”
Zowee Slam Blam! So now the Comanches who almost uniformly disagree with Yeagley are simply envious and ‘not very educated’? Another swipe at Comanche people, phew, not a very good way to begin a healing process with the Comanche community. Talk about ‘projecting onto others’ what Yeagley is himself obsessing over. Ouch. Not very smooth.

BE Member — “You are not my elder therefore it isn't disrespectful. I expressed no objection, accused you of nothing, and simply requested an answer. You have taken a defensive position in that answer. Very curious because I voiced no criticism yet you attempted to demean and marginalize me.
Yes, the questions were not disrespectful at all, especially considering the circumstances. After all, it was Yeagley who set himself up as the Comanche national spokesperson, and instead of guiding the videographers to other more qualified Comanches, he took them to fellow supremacist Barb Lindsay at One Nation United. That’s gotta hurt, Comanches! You got punked big time by Yeagley; so publicly too, ouch-o-rama!

BE Member — “Yes, you're right I dont' know who is qualified among the Comanches, but I know it isn't you, that's for sure... I don't disagree with you on being Comanche, however I know you're not a full blood."
Less than half Comanche, if you consider the best of all possible scenarios (100% white father, and part Chickasaw/Mexican mother). But we still hold out for future discovery of that 'second birth certificate' scenario as well, the one issued in sealed records by an adoption court.

BE Member — “How are you qualified; that's my question. What is it that makes you qualified? Being enrolled? Being a descendant of Bad Eagle? What makes you qualified to talk about things on a national level? Simple questions and there's nothing complicated about them.

Is it that you're older than me? Is that what makes you qualified? Are you involved with the Comanche community moreso than you let on? Is that what makes you qualified?

These are not my concerns. These are the concerns which I pulled from all the talk about your lack of qualifications on all the blogs and forums, however, your continued evasiveness in answering simple questions can only lead me to conclude that you're not as qualified as you think you are to talk about issues in which you have no speciality. You can only give an educated guess at best.”
Amen and amen. Finally, some truth comes from Yeagley’s blog, but not from him, of course.

BE Member — “... yes I am educated. I have a Master's degree (Museum Studies) just like DY. I never said I know what it means to be a Comanche... however I do know some Comanches I've met in all my NAGPRA consultations over the years and I've never heard one of them speak positively about DY.

So your family is able to determine who is qualified to speak for the Comanche? Comanche Moon is Comanche so that must make her just as qualified, but DY won't allow her to post here. Wonder why? ???

DY sure needs a CDIB to detemine his qualifications. He rants about it all the time and if he is so qualified why doesn't he hold a position in the tribal council? He did run for office, but the Comanche people didn't vote him in. Why is that?
The election wasn’t even close, a mere 1% of the Comanche population voted for him. That must have been a truly enlightened moment in Comanche history, considering that his own mother was the first Comanche woman elected. Oh wait, that was a story that Yeagley fabricated. Sorry.

BE Member — “An educated Indian, especially one who holds a degree in music, doesn't qualifiy one to speak on national issues, but that's an open game board for any education Indian. I suppose if he were to work on such issues with a legitimate organization on a national issue i.e. National Indian Gaming Commission, NCAI, NIEA than that would appear more concrete. Last I read he doesn't."
Nope, he sure doesn’t; all I ever see of him are various white power articles and his association with white supremacist groups, like One Nation United and Stormfront. If it’s any indication, Yeagley’s doctoral thesis was an original paper describing portions of a piano composition he liked and why he liked it. So much for applicability of piano doctorates to the world at large. Doesn’t instill much confidence in Yeagley’s other so-called and self-proclaimed qualifications, does it?

BE Member — “I would suspect that someone who has either or currently holds a position in any area of tribal administation whether it's Indian gaming, Substance Abuse, Cultural Preservation etc. etc. would be able to make more of a concrete statement about the on-goings in the Comanche Nation. DY has never held nor currently doesn't hold such position.”
That’s correct, he doesn’t.

BE Member — “He can certainly make any statements he wants as does every other Bob, Jack or Jill about Indian issues, but such statments are more credible and believable when such statements come from someone who has been or currently is in the hoop of all things tribal related...

I disagree that DY has any credentials to make such statements about National Indian issues and anything pertaining to the Comanche. Why? I'll speculate that he is viewed as an outsider looking in and currently doesn't have much to do with the Comanche Nation except for attending district meetings and keeping up with what is written in newspaper, both on a local and national level. Anyone can do that, but it holds more merit when such statements come from individuals who in those trenches everyday."
Absolutely correct. The truth of these ‘speculations’ is highly probable, yes.

BE Member — “The only thing, by your logic, that qualifies him is that he is educated. Well I am too, but that doesn't make me qualified to make a statement on issues that afflict every Indian Nation or non-Indian for that matter. However I am qualified to observe and make assessments, ask questions and such. I'm a practical person who prefers to decide the best outcome first, then find enough evidence to support a conclusion.

What evidence is there to support DY's qualifications except that he is an educted man who is an enrolled Comanche, a conservative American Indian patriot. Not even the Comanche tribe supports his views, which is why he wasn't voted into a position on tribal council. So far the evidence suggests that he's just as qualified as Ward Churchill”
Yes, he lost by bigger than a landslide. And it’s well known that piano performance majors do not focus on the logical methods of gathering and interpreting factual evidence. No, they tinkle the ivories pretty and write a thesis on music they like. Good for piano music, bad for science.

Yeagley — "like a fool, I keep trying to communicate... see if you can relate to this:

1) what do you thing [think?] constitutes "speaking for" Indians? This is the accusation, but what exactly do you mean by that? When any Indian speaks about anything? What is speaking for Indians."
Actually, the intent was very clear from the start. The issue has always been about Yeagley’s willing participation in a blatantly racist film, and guiding the videographers to other pundits they could film, including Yeagley’s white supremacist friend Barb Lindsay. What “constitutes” speaking for Indians? Well actually, speaking for Indian Nations, like the Comanches, without their expressed permission, is the issue.

Yeagley — "2) so, if I had an Indian job, that would qualify me to speak for Indians? Is that then your criterion? You have to have an Indian job, be employed by an "Indian" organization, tribal or non-tribal?"
Well, yes quite frankly. One’s ability to obtain a leadership job and keep it, is a qualifying feature, yes. A civic leader answers to a constituency, a community that gives permission for the leader to act responsibly for the group. It is no small feat to obtain and successfully hold onto a job like that.

Yeagley — “I think you are revealing all that is weak in Indian country. This kind of thinking is what keeps things small, non-progressive, and yes, racist--in the crippling sense. This is what causes the interminable strife within our tribes and our peoples across the country.”
Hmm, I wonder what Yeagley means by his word “this” (above). ‘This kind of thinking’ meaning what exactly, what kind of thinking? Logical and rational thinking? So, by Yeagley’s reasoning, it is “weak” and “racist” merely to ask logical questions about a person’s qualifications, or to ask under what authority one might become a Comanche spokesperson? Very interesting, psychologically speaking.

And, what exactly is “crippling” about asking rational and reasonable questions? It seems to me that the crippling feature of such an exchange rests on the one who cannot answer the simple queries, especially considering the importance of doing so after creating a propaganda video with non-Indian videographers who have a clear anti-Indian agenda.

It would seem that Yeagley’s own creation of the propaganda video, together with his half-baked retractions, and his unwillingness to smooth things out with the Comanche Nation, is far more crippling for Indian Country than asking a few valid questions. Weigh the effects, I mean, which is worse: asking Yeagley questions, or Yeagley appearing on TV and spouting anti-Indian propaganda?

Again, it is painfully clear that Yeagley doesn’t know what he’s talking about, and is clearly outside what Comanches themselves consider proper and acceptable behavior. Even more, it is now clear that he had a chance to apologize to the Comanches years ago for his usurpation of Comanche authority as a phony spokesperson in NY, and failed to take advantage of the opportunity for redemption.

Instead, it appears that Yeagley is set on making the same mistake over and over again, most recently in the vile propaganda film he helped develop. But for this article, I’ll let this BE Member (below) have the last word, a bit of truth from Yeagley’s blog, but as I stated earlier, not from him:

BE Member — “Who is more the fool - the fool the leads are the fool that follows? ???

What I feel constitutes as someone speaking for Indians are people who are in DC working at National American Indian Organizations such as NCAI, NIEA, NIHA. At a local level the Tribal Chair, then Co-Chair and so on and so forth.

It appears that I always answer or rather clarify for you my posts. I expect the same from my you, but in your mind it's not a two-way street. It's only one way and that's DY's way with you. I'm more open. Not so closed off like you.

So what do I mean by "speaking for" Indians or any Indian speaking for Indians. Just that, speaking with no qualifications, no experience with the people, no personal attachments to their own communities. How can a detached person speak of Indians on a national level?

If you held an job with a reputable Indian organization long enough than yes that most likely will qualify you.

I think you have avoided all that is strong in Indian country and you have revealed all that is weak with the issues... If any one is racist I will have to say it is you and your thinking and that is what cripples you and whatever agenda you have.

There are no interminable strife within Indian people across the country. We're all in the same boat pretty much and have our own problems and issues at a tribal level. That's the way it has always been and will be. We are not one United American Indians, except when we come together for common causes, which is why there is an NCAI, NIEA, National Indian Gaming Commission.

To start, maybe you should go work for your casino so that you'll have more of an insider's perspective and work your way up the ladder. That could be a humbling experience for you, but you refuse to be humbled because you put yourself above that type of work.

All you have, from what I can gather, is a website where very few Indians comment."

News Sites Tell the Truth About Yeagley: He's "Anti Indian" and "Racist White Nationalist"

2008-03-15T16:59:00.003-06:00

It's becoming rarer for anyone to fall for Yeagley's claims that he's just "conservative" or a "patriot." (For one thing, how could anyone be a patriot if they were to display the same contempt Yeagley frequently does for veterans? Even Jane Fonda is not as hateful.)

Two recent articles correctly tag Yeagley for what he is.

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http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1107&Itemid=27

VDARE is a racist white nationalist website providing an outlet for far right-wing writers and racists to vent their hatred. Since being founded in 1999 by Peter Brimelow, they have been a well recognized hate group by many civil rights and media watch group such as Southern Poverty Law Center (who lists it as a hate site) and Media Matters. Racism, xenophobia, religious discrimination against non-Christian fundamentalists, sexism, homophobia, and right-wing fascism have been the bonding themes which have identified the VDARE staff and audience.

There are a few dozen active writers and staff members of VDARE. While rogue profiles are available for several VDARE members (and we note them here), the whole lot of them are a trashy and hate-filled bunch, and their ideals and behavior define the racist ideals of the group, so to be honest, they all deserve a rogue profile. Some of the folks there that don't have a profile are on the backlog, but since writing them has taken a while, not to mention starting to sound a bit repetitive, we are providing a summarized group profile of the VDARE members....

David Yeagley
There are sellouts and there are sellouts! This guy...is so much of a sellout that he has written nasty articles saying back in the day Native Americans fought and shed their blood in the nastiest wars against the US Army TO be put on reservations.

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http://www.indianz.com/InTheHoop/archive/007570.asp

Anti-Indians come to Washington DC

Elaine Willman, alleged Cherokee, and her cabal of creepsters were in Washington, D.C., over the weekend for the annual Citizens Equal Rights Alliance/Citizens Equal Rights Foundation conference. Just what does this group stand for?

Based on this list of bills that CERA/CERF supports and opposes, we know they hate gaming, land-into-trust, federal recognition and tribal political donations. But they aren't anti-Indian, no siree. How do we know? They actually support H.R.4462, the Code Talker bill!

That puts CERA/CERF in the same company as the National Congress of American Indians, whose executive director Jackie Johnson promoted the bill at NCAI's recent winter session in DC. Just don't bet on Jax and Lainie roaming the halls of Congress together to lobby lawmakers on this important issue.

"They are getting more organized, more aggressive and more active," Johnson warned of anti-Indians groups like CERA/CERF.

We actually think Jax gave them too much credit. Have you seen their web page? It makes Dom Nessi look good.

Their conference agenda is pretty sad too. It's basically Elaine Willman on every single panel, because you know she isn't busy at all with her new job in Wisconsin, fighting the Oneida Nation.

And where are the important members of Congress and federal officials at their conference? Their biggest get a few years ago was David Yeagley aka Bad Eagle. What ever happened to him?

Uproar Over White Supremacist Film & Yeagley's Role In It Continues

2008-03-06T12:28:00.001-06:00

Three more websites have joined in condemning "Prisoners of the Past," which featured Yeagley and two other prominent white supremacists being quoted as "experts" on indigenous people.

First is an article which also decried Wikipedia's censorship of what is widely known about Yeagley within the Comanche Nation, that he is NOT one of them.

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http://intercontinentalcry.org/anti-indigenous-propaganda-film-aires-on-swedish-tv/
Anti-Indigenous Propaganda film airs on Swedish TV
By Intercontinental Cry
This past Monday,

Swedish Television aired “Historiens Fångar” (History’s Prisoners) - an anti-indigenous propaganda film that claims there are no traditional Indigenous cultures left in the world, and that the only chance of survival for the remaining ‘drunk and pathetic few’ is through assimilating into colonial society. “

The most notable voice in the program,” Jim Barrett explains, is Keith Windschuttle, author of “the Fabrication of Aboriginal History, a controversial book that attempts to resurrect an array of colonial fallacies toward indigenous people: that colonization was justified, “that Australia was never truly owned by its original inhabitants, that they were too savage to understand such a concept as property, too primitive to organise a war and too vulnerable to survive settlement.”

Another speaker in the film is David Yeagley, who, according to Wikipedia (once upon a time. The page has been gutted) is “a white supremacist who poses as a Comanche Indian. He was mistakenly enrolled in the Comanche Nation because the stepmother who adopted him is Comanche.

He falsely claims descent from the Comanche leader, Bad Eagle (1839-1909). Comanche elders and members of the tribal government all deny he is actually Comanche.

In 2006 Yeagley, his employer David Horowitz, and Front Page magazine used legal threats to try to silence Kiowa activist Cinda Hughes and the Native American Times for revealing his impersonation.

Apparently, the film also features someone from “One Nation United,” a privately funded, anti-Indian lobby group based out of Oklahoma.

The social and political integrity of these characters speaks directly to the legitimacy of the position maintained in the film. It’s propaganda — a film drenched in archaic and biased, insulated opinions that will utterly misinform every viewer. But don’t take my word for it. See it for yourself. “History’s Prisoners.” It is currently available online. (it’s in English). It’s also set to air on Swedish TV once more, this coming Sunday.

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Then an anthropology site took the film to task for its stereotypes:

http://openanthropology.wordpress.com/category/colonialismimperialism/
Anti-Indigenous Film Broadcast in Sweden
By Open Anthropology

Ideologies designed to undercut any indigenous claims to their identities and territories have long been a part of Eurocentric imperialist propaganda, with the hope that the home audience will be consume this ideological material. Indigenous peoples know where they stand and are not likely to be “persuaded” by assertions that they do not exist.

In anthropology today, for example, once again we see the revival of arguments that indigenous peoples do not exist as such, at best they are ethnic minorities. There is indeed a debate that has been generated in part by the writings of Adam Kuper that the very concept of “indigenous” implies primitivism, exoticism, and racism, without however asking who reads it as such, and without investigating the myriad ways in which the concept is redeployed, adapted, and articulated by indigenous peoples themselves in the present.

There are two sides to a Catch-22 situation that has been set up for indigenous peoples:

One side is what I call anti-indigenous essentialism: indigenous cultures are those encountered in 1492, and since they are no longer identical to the cultures of that time, indigenous peoples have ceased to exist culturally, and even biologically if they dared to commit the sin of creating families with peoples of other nations. Thus an indigenous person today, who is seen to wear jeans and speak English, as two random examples, has his or her head forced under the water of anti-indigenous essentialism for daring to not be a carbon-copy replica of the past, for failing to be a breathing museum piece.

The other side is what I call anti-indigenous anti-essentialism: those indigenous groups that claim long historical continuity, that continue to wear traditional costumes during special ceremonies, that claim unbroken ancestry, are charged with being frauds. All cultures change, goes the argument, so anyone trying to show seamless continuity is simply putting on a show.

If you accept either of those sides of the debate, you find yourself in a Eurocentric Catch-22 designed to make the very idea of “indigenous” implode.

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Then from First Nations Skyvillage, a call for people to protest to the film's makers and the network broadcasting it:

http://groups.google.com/group/first-nations-skyvillage/browse_thread/thread/19e2ee040b425d26?hl=en

If you would like to express your outrage about this film, you can write the Director, Poul Erik Heilbuth, at plh@dr.dk. You can also write to the documentary department of Swedish TV for airing it, dokumentarfilm@svt.se

Comanches Opposed Yeagley on White Supremacist Film From the Start

2008-03-04T09:06:00.002-06:00

From over at the Indianz.com board, a longtime member posted this email from a Comanche who states that both the racist film "Prisoners of the Past" and Yeagley's involvement with it were strongly opposed by every Comanche who knew about it, and from the very beginning.

In typical Yeagley fashion, he has gone on to lie repeatedly about his own role in the film and repeatedly banned ACTUAL Commanches from his forum.

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http://www.indianz.com/board/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30783&whichpage=2
Grammak
Senior Member

Posted - 03/02/2008 : 3:13:12 PM

Naiche,

You are not alone in your opinion of yoogles. I was catching up on some emails and ran across this. I didn't include the complete text, but feel this will get the message across. It would be funny if he wasn't so destructive to NDN's everywhere.

Grammak

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"I was told the film makers were given permission after convincing the Administrators of the College how interested they were in the Progress of the Comanche Nation.

After seeing Yeagley come from around the corner, this Danish man was taken aside and told in no uncertains terms that if Yeagley had anything to do with this film, that they would have to leave.

Juanita was told by these Danish people that they had no idea who he (Yeagley) was and that he was not with them. Therein started the lies, and yeagley on his site even said they interviewed him a full day before "HE" took/ accompanied them the next day to the Comanche Nation College.

Now he claims he was naive and a "dumb Indian"....( always gotta put the Indian down, always) but he was neither naive nor dumb, he knew exactly what he was doing in lumping and shackling all the brown people, whom he cannot relate to..except to say "brown is a bore".

He calls the people weak, angry and mental and ill and socially lost with low self-esteem, all because they don't agree with his ideas, then he proceeds to ban them from his site, which he thinks stiffles their input. The very Nation he says he doesn't represent, but which he promotes himself around the country in is the Comanche Nation. He has banned four Comanche People from his site, just because they tried to give him correct information about the Nation. He would not be corrected, he is the HOST!

Excuse me, but when you are wrong, you are wrong, and the Comanche People have been wronged long enough, its time we correct the white wash of this person called Bad Eagle, incidently I have looked and looked and questioned the people around here and they never heard of a Bad Eagle who Yeagly ties himself to the Comanche with. The picture on his blog looks very close to a man we called "Ischiti" who himself had bad medicine leading the Adobe walls incident into ruin. Ischitis' given name was "White Eagle" but after the Adobe wall defeat he was christened by his Comanche people as "Ischiti."

The translation of this name is not very flattering.. .the Comanche people know it, out of respect I will not publish it here."

Yeagley Tries to Deny Role in White Supremacist Film

2008-02-13T09:14:00.002-06:00

More of Brent Michael David's devastating indictments of Yeagley's role in a film advocating the complete and utter destruction of indigenous cultures worldwide.

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2/12/2008
20 HALF-BAKED RETRACTIONS BY DAVID YEAGLEY
from the Bad Eagle journal

White supremacist David A. Yeagley is feeling the heat, and is suddenly wanting to retract the videotaped statements he so enthusiastically provided for the propaganda video: Historiens Fångar ("prisoners of the past" or "history's prisoners").

But the explanations Yeagley now gives, are just as inaccurate as the videotaped ones, and must largely be considered as mediocre attempts to backtrack and keep an imagined favor with Indian people. For two reasons, Yeagley’s retractions are simply half-baked:

A. He is not regarded in any positive way from Indian people so there is no logical reason to backtrack at all;

and, B. He is not actually retracting anything important.

Let’s take a closer look at the basic twenty points that Yeagley hopes to pass off as Historiens Fångar retractions, and why those rationalizations fail miserably.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #1

YEAGLEY — “Prisoners of the Past,” a documentary made by Danish Television, has been recently posted on the internet. I was featured in a way I did not anticipate.”

So Yeagley didn’t think his words would be considered anti-Indian? That’s very hard to believe. Yeagley said what he said: we can see him saying it, we can hear it coming from his own mouth. There’s very few alternate ways his statements COULD be taken, not many alternative connotations there:

YEAGLEY — “When the warrior was finally defeated, he became the reservation Indian. Th, the loser. The alcoholic. The depressed, keep-away-from-me, leave-me-alone. They have enriched a few. A few families. Generally speaking, they have not enriched Indian people across the country. Casino money has a created a circumstance where all the weakness of Indian government are aggrandized, magnified, multiplied beyond tolerability. The idea that you can build a community with its own government, with its own economy, its own schools, its own language. That’s the idea that many Indian leaders are hoping for. They cut off themselves from participation, from successful positive participation in the world around them” (2-8-08).

From his video statements above, Yeagley makes several seriously erroneous assumptions:

A. Yeagley mischaracterizes all Indian people as a warriors, when only a percentage of the population were. He falls victim to his own warrior-esque stereotype, a common stereotype among non-Indians.

B. Yeagley misinterprets the problems faced by Indian people as self-inflicted, rather than accurately stating the causes as imposed upon indigenous people from outside those communities. Kill a people, corral a people, brainwash their children, and you’ll get exactly what indigenous people still endure today, no surprises here; it was and is imposed on indigenous people.

C. Yeagley uncritically reasons that ‘assimilation’ is the solution to problems created by the ‘self-inflicted isolationism’ that Yeagley wrongly attributes as the cause of indigenous poverty. However, poverty is systematically imposed on indigenous communities from the outside, not from within. Imposed poverty is forced on indigenous populations and is not a byproduct of indigenous or aboriginal behavior inside the communities.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #2

YEAGLEY — “Comanche people were presented in a way which was not anticipated as well.”

You mean, Yeagley did not anticipate that Comanches would object to his speaking on their behalf like he did? So, let’s get this straight, Yeagley did it, but then thought he would not be seen as doing it? That makes no sense at all. Of course Yeagley anticipated it, he endorsed the anti-Indian implications and still does. What he did not anticipate, is the backlash he is incurring, and is simply trying to distance himself to avoid embarrassment, which we have stated before is not even necessary. Most Comanches already regarded him as an embarrassment prior to the video propaganda.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #3

YEAGLEY — “In March of 2007, I was first contacted by Danish Television through Michaela Kirst, a New York liaison. Poul-Erik Heilbut was putting together an unusual documentary on indigenous peoples around the globe. Naturally, he wanted to feature American Indians, and the personal, psychological experience of American Indians in modern society.”

What is meant by Yeagley’s “unusual documentary” comment? It is very difficult to believe that Yeagley wasn’t told the video was a propaganda piece on indigenous casinos; and it is very clear that Yeagley was ‘noticeably eager’ to participate in the video. He probably knew all along what was happening, and only created this ‘half-baked’ retraction after he started receiving flack about it. If Yeagley truly objected to it, why is it still on his John Birch bio? Yeagley likes the exposure, and most likely knew the full intent of the video all along.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #4

YEAGLEY — “In mid-April, he interviewed and filmed me an entire day, at my own home here in Oklahoma City. The next day, I escorted him and his camera crew to Lawton, Oklahoma, where he interviewed selected tribal employees of the Comanche Nation. I made great effort to insure that the appropriate Comanches were involved, namely Geneva Navarro, (Comanche language speaker and teacher), and Carlotta Nowell, RN, (professional and teacher). Juanita Pahdopony, an administrator, hosted the Danes. I don’t know that she was interviewed. I had not given them her name. I had told our chairman, Wallace Coffey, however, about this documentary, as I understood it. He was out of town at the time of the interviews.”

So Yeagley made a “great effort” to insure the “appropriate Comanches” were involved; you mean, like the ones sitting in the empty CNC classroom? Like those Comanches? Of course Yeagley is trying to take credit for ‘guiding’ the Danish video crew when he was the one begging to be in the video himself. If Yeagley made any recommendations to videotape other Comanches, it’s obvious they never made it into the final product. But it’s a far more plausible explanation to say that Yeagley only recommended himself as the “Comanche expert” that the video should rely upon.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #5

YEAGLEY — “Heilbut was impressed that the Comanche Nation had its own college, the only tribally owned college in the country. I said our chairman was progressive, but that at present our college was not accredited. Heilbut was also interested in our casino operations.”

Yeagley’s opinion is not credible here at all; it smacks of an ill-conceived half-baked retraction in a lame attempt to shine up Yeagley’s badly tarnished image. Heilbut was not impressed enough to put any positive CNC footage in the film, “guided” by Yeagley’s advice, nor is there any attention given to Indians having successful colleges. Not only was Yeagley's video appearance misguided, but to declare the CNC as the only tribally-owned college is again nothing but Yeagley’s half-witted hyperbole. Yeagley continues to be absolutely wrong on his facts; and, considering the facts are relatively easy to find, we must therefore conclude (rightly so) that Yeagley is intellectually lazy. Take a look at all these tribal colleges:

http://www.aihec.org/tribal_college_roster.cfml

http://www.ed.gov/about/inits/list/whtc/edlite-tclist.html

And read this article about the vitality of tribal colleges: "Tribal Colleges are fighting for survival, new study shows."

The 24 tribally owned colleges, most of them started in the last decade on reservations in the West, represent "the most significant and hopeful development in our long history of failed policies toward Native Americans," said Ernest L. Boyer, the president of the foundation, a nonprofit group that studies education policies.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #6

YEAGLEY — “I told him our operations were distinguished from many ‘Indian casinos,’ because we have avoided most of the socio-economic issues caused by many of the larger casinos on the east and west coasts. The Comanche Nation has always sought healthy cooperation with the Oklahoma people in Comanche environs. I knew of no major public issues with the Comanche Nation. I was proud of that, and commended our leaders.”

Wrong again. You clearly spoke “as a Comanche spokesperson” about how no one except a select few benefit from your casinos. You did not say Comanches were the exception, no. You did not indicate that most casinos are heavily watched, and are among the heaviest regulated operations in the entire country, more regulated than non-Indian casinos. In fact, Indians pay for the regulations to occur, at the Indians’ expense, and have become the supreme example of the cleanest-of-the-clean operations, far above any of the state or federal standards.

Yeagley is trying to “damage control” his shameful appearance in the propaganda video, but it’s all too convenient to claim he said things that were not edited into the film, after-the-fact. No, we must regard Yeagley’s backhanded retractions now, as a grand “suck-up” strategy, in hopes that the Comanche people might not loathe Yeagley more than they already do. But it’s easy to see through the smoke at Yeagley’s real intent by participating in the video so eagerly: Yeagley willfully intended to speak against Indian sovereignty and declare a war on Indian people to sovereign self-government. We see his lips moving in the video, and nobody can deny that proof, not even Yeagley. To try spinning that ‘extra’ footage and ‘unseen statements’ never made it into the film, is nothing more than unsupported hearsay.

YEAGLEY — “Who rules the world? ... White men... Christian men... European white. Judeo-Christian, "Bible" white. This throne, in this world, will not change. It is secure. White man will not be de-throned. The position is permanent... it's still the Great White Throne” (2007)

YEAGLEY — “But I propose the idea of guilt... American Indian guilt... American Indians are responsible for whatever misanthropy exists in the United States government... The throne is white. The whites built it, and anyone who tries to deceive the races into thinking that throne belongs to all people is a psychological criminal, a moral thief, and an ideological terrorist” (2007)

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #7

YEAGLEY — “I did speak, however, of Indian issues on a national level, and noted ideological concepts which apparently cause social inhibition and lack of development. There are numerous historical images of the American Indian. I led Heilbut through the different images—the host, the warrior, the reservation Indian, the protester, and now the gangster.”

Yeagley is not a national spokesperson, and has little knowledge outside of books what the historical or contemporary American Indian is all about. Besides having no authority to speak in this way, Yeagley has quite frankly no knowledge about the Indian populations nationwide that he is pontificating about. The so-called stages of “development” that Yeagley espoused are nothing more than a bunch of indigenous stereotypes, over-simplifications that often plague the poorly-researched books obviously coveted by Yeagley uncritical curiosity.

Though Yeagley set himself up as a so-called “authority” on the issues of sovereignty, he did not recommend the video producers talk with actual authorities like the president of the National Congress of American Indians. No, Yeagley simply ran off at the mouth in his mother’s old living room, without considering the ill effect that his lies and distortions might have on indigenous peoples around the world, let alone Comanches. Yeagley simply wasn’t thinking, which appears to be his usual modus operandi, if you follow his blogs.

Added: Someone just emailed that Yeagley self-admittedly 'doesn't read books,' so it's more likely he has little knowledge outside the internet, not books.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #8

YEAGLEY — “Heilbut was advocating the idea that it is harmful for indigenous peoples the world over to remain separate, and to refuse assimilation. The film asserts that indigenous peoples suffer psychologically and sociologically devastating consequences from their isolationism. The reservation concept, according to the film, is disastrous.”

Yeagley is only half correct. While the video unequivocally promotes assimilation of indigenous peoples, it states absolutely NOTHING about psychology, nor sociology, nor the impact of those ‘-ologies’ on the indigenous people. The video does not address any of that.

To try deflecting “just criticism” away from Yeagley’s unruly appearances by inserting ‘-ologies’ into it that were not there, is a failed attempt at deflection and distraction. Yeagley is attempting to sway readers who may not have seen the footage at all, and attempting to reinterpret the actual footage by interjecting his own distortions into it.

The video actually questions why indian leaders are forcing their people to live in primitive conditions, and posits the false notion that leaders are controlling and hurting their own populations. The video did not speculate on psychology, nothing on sociology either. Again, Yeagley is fabricating what he wishes was in the video, not what was actually there. He is making things up. Go watch the film yourself and decide, or read the transcript of his statements.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #9

YEAGLEY — “Prisoners of the Past” does not present false material, or inaccurate material. It merely presents incomplete material.”

Actually the video presents false material as well as inaccurate material, just like Yeagley does in his half-baked retractions:

A. The video falsely blames indian leaders for keeping people in poverty.

B. The video sets up a false dichotomy between one indigenous people against other indigenous peoples that does not exist in reality.

C. The video creates a false straw man argument about Indians in the past versus indians in the present, and then uses that fake argument to attack Indian sovereignty.

D. The video mistakenly deduces that Indians are responsible for their own impoverished conditions, without explaining the true causes that are imposed upon Indian people from the outside.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #10

YEAGLEY — “Heilbut however insists that the worst of the story is the weight of the story.”

Actually, there is no such amendment nor retraction from Poul-Erik Heilbut. Heilbut has never made such an apology as Yeagley suggests. Nope. This opinion is nothing but a half-baked explanation and is a complete fabrication by Yeagley. Search for it yourself, it exists nowhere. Yeagley is hoping you will ‘take his word’ on this lie, but most Comanches already know what his word is worth.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #11

YEAGLEY — “The addictions, the physical abuse, poverty, etc., are highest among the reserve peoples of the world. Depression is rife, and endemic. This is what is important.”

Not endemic, no. The word Yeagley is searching for, but cannot utter for political and ideological reasons, is “imposed,” not endemic. “Endemic” would be mischaracterizing Indian hardships as a disease. There is depression and other negative results from imposed poverty, like suicide. But those negative conditions are a direct result of abuse caused to the Indian people from outside the tribe — imposed upon them — not by choice but by force. What is important and not mentioned at all by Yeagley, is that Indian people are contemporary and living in today’s cultural milieu, which is a complex situation of surviving genocide and its lingering affects, combined with the ongoing abuse still carried out by non-Indian people outside the Indian communities.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #12

YEAGLEY — “But nowhere does the film deny the right [of] people to maintain their traditions. Nowhere does the film advocate racial intermarriage. The film does not recommend the elimination of culture. It simply notes the dangerous effects of social isolationism and separatism. I don’t see that as mistaken.”

If you actually watch the video, you’ll see that it does recommend the elimination of indigenous cultures, contrary what Yeagley may ask you to believe with his half-baked retractions. Of course, the video does not implore the supplanting of non-indigenous culture, no. But it absolutely advocates for a welcomed destruction of indigenous cultures, yes. The video goes further than that, actually, by questioning whether Indian leaders are “hobbling” the Indians to the past, and answers that question by calling for the traditions to be given up, lost, forgotten, as a better path toward material wealth and material happiness.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #13

YEAGLEY — “What is mistaken is the fact that the film doesn’t show the other side of cultural preservation, and the indomitable will of certain people to maintain their identity—and the benefit to the world such determination demonstrates. In an age of multiculturalism, when every culture is threatened, the message of the indigenous ought to be seen as hopeful and encouraging.”

This assertion by Yeagley is an attempt at misdirection yet again. But Yeagley’s attempt at slight-of-hand is riddled by a huge stupidity. The video clearly argues for the desolation of indigenous cultures, but fails to identify the true culprit: the continued oppression of indigenous people by non-indigenous people. In fact, the video goes-out-of-its-way to make sure that all the blame — 100% of it — rests squarely on the indigenous people themselves. The fact of this erroneous assumption cannot be cinematically denied.

The major problem for Yeagley though, is that culture is not static, and could never be misconstrued as such, except by, perhaps, ignorant anthropologists or by Yeagley himself. Cultures grow, shift and change, continually; it is a natural state of cultures to do so. What is at stake in this explanation is the TYPE of change: mutual change versus forced change.

If a culture changes because it is advantageous to do so, on a mutually respected footing, cultures will adapt without any threat whatsoever. No threat. But when one culture tries to dominate and force another culture into submission, that is coerced culture change.

It is a false argument to imply that cultures are static and are under “threat” unless you also acknowledge that only forced culture change threatens a culture — not mutual culture change, which is under no threat whatsoever. Again, the video’s rationale, wholly supported by Yeagley, is an argument ignorant of the flexible realities of culture change.

No, the “threatened” culture that Yeagley hopes you, as a reader, will envision is the white culture, which holds true for, at a minimum, 90% of his blog rantings. “Multiculturalism” is not a genuine threat; only forced contact change is a threat, and only threatening to those who are oppressed, like indigenous people being threatened by imposed poverty. Again, Yeagley is merely attempting to distract readers away from his own video blunder by interjecting things that have no basis in reality in hopes he can distract criticism away from himself.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #14

YEAGLEY — “The historical and ethnological circumstances of the Laplanders are simply incomparable if not irrelevant. And there are numerous American Indians, for example, who are talented, educated, and modernized, yet who still love living with their own people, and still observe their cultural traditions. The film is completely silent about Indian success stories.”

Actually, the Sami people are very relevant, and are a wonderful comparison. They suffer from similarly imposed poverty from non-Sami people outside their communities, they struggle to maintain their cultural and political independence in the face of voices trying to silence them. Yes, they are very much like American Indians, totally comparable and totally relevant.

The fact of the video not trumpeting any success stories, is exactly what Yeagley hoped would happen when he inserted himself as a national “American Indian” spokesperson. We have already proven that his half-baked attempts at distraction, deflection and interjection are simply attempts to avoid just criticism toward Yeagley himself. We need only look to the Comanche Nation College footage to see Yeagley’s direct influence on the video, the empty classroom. He admittedly accompanied them to Lawton and to the CNC.

Remember that Yeagley advised the producers on which people to videotape, and what was “appropriate” for the video’s purpose. The film is silent on true indigenous life BECAUSE Yeagley personally advised them and went along with it himself. His retraction now, after the damage is done, is implausible and lame.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #15

YEAGLEY — “any streak of white superiority in the film might rather be a subliminal gesture of self-defense, considering the cultural threat Northern Europe currently suffers from the hands of the murderous Mohammadans [sic].

The three words “might rather be” are Yeagley’s mistake here, as they are pure hyperbole on his part. Yeagley knew full well when appearing on this video what he was saying and doing. To try deflecting the white supremacist goal of this video is nonsensical and ridiculous. Nowhere does the video, even remotely, mention Muslims — not one solitary time. No, this is clearly another attempt at deflection, with race-baiting thrown in for added impact.

Yeagley’s wishful assessment treats viewers as if they are stupid, pandering to intellects supposedly ‘lesser than himself’ who cannot see the “subliminal gestures” like he can. Apparrently, Yeagley has a need to explain the video’s ‘hidden meanings’ to us, so that we ignorant immature younglings can understand the mysterious and ineffable realities that Yeagley, by way of mighty intellect, can discern as a gifted psychological sooth sayer.

To be clear, the major problem with this half-baked retraction is — it’s all made up — literally. Yeagley’s suggestion here is complete nonsense. It is nothing more than imaginary second-guessing, and is intended purely to divert criticism away from himself.

The video purposely intended to posit a white superiority over indigenous people, only find one apparent “shining” exception in the Sami people, who the video used to race-bait every other indigenous group. Yeagley has remained committed to that same ideology himself, even championed it. But Yeagley’s anti-sovereignty activities have developed at the expense of indigenous people around the world this time around, including his own supposed tribe, the Comanche Nation.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #16

YEAGLEY — “it makes our Comanche college look like a big failure. That was certainly not my intent... Maybe he showed up on a bad day or something, when the weakest classes were meeting. Geneva Navarro is one of the most honored Indian laguage [sic] teachers in the state of Oklahoma. One student is shown in class with her.”
This statement above is really an outright denial of the truth. It was exactly Yeagley’s intent to show the Comanche Nation College as a failure for a couple of reasons. Yeagley argued on camera that Indian leaders are ‘wrongly’ trying to preserve an independent nation, economy, culture and schooling. Yeagley contrarily argued, on screen, that Indians are ‘wrong’ to maintain their “isolationist” sovereignty:

YEAGLEY — “The idea that you can build a community with its own government, with its own economy, its own schools, its own language. That’s the idea that many Indian leaders are hoping for. They cut off themselves from participation, from successful positive participation in the world around them.”

Though after-the-fact, Yeagley tries to reassert a more positive view of the Comanche educational and economic system that he so blatantly trashed, we must remember that it was Yeagley himself who directed the producers to the “appropriate” people and appropriate “Comanche” representatives personally. He even drove them to Lawton, the tribal offices and the CNC.

This fact, when combined with another, is probably all the information necessary to question Yeagley’s motives here. Remember, that Yeagley was unable to be accepted as an instructor, or even a janitor, at the CNC, because he is not welcomed there given his dismissal from the Oklahoma university for misrepresenting himself as a university spokesperson. In other words, he embarrassed the university so badly, they apparently dismissed Yeagley for his inability to control what he says.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #17

YEAGLEY — “The film showed the worst of the problems. Now, the fact that there are huge success stories doesn't mean that the problems are any less significant or unimportant.”

Actually, the success stories would put the problems in proper perspective, mostly by putting the issue of indigenous sovereignty in proper perspective. But even with this criticism, Yeagley is ignoring the larger piece of information missing from the the video — that reservation poverty and inequality comes from continued discrimination against the indigenous peoples. Yeagley’s opinion that these problems are caused by the Indian people themselves, with their “isolationist” tendencies, is a phony argument. Yeagley uncritically skirts the real cause, which is continued racism.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #18

YEAGLEY — “I think this film is a kind of reaction against the threat of Danish culture by the Mohammadans [sic], who destory [sic] every culture in their path... hey, everyone needs to assimilate into modernity... the film makes an heavy, undeniable point. I think is good for thinking."

Again Yeagley fails to speak the complete truth here, by completely ignoring the fundamental root of imposed poverty today, and the continued results of oppressive policies and attitudes still directed at indigenous people. As for Yeagley’s assertion that “everyone needs to assimilate,” Yeagley can be regarded is an obvious advocate for white supremacy. Yeagley can attempt to deny this fact, but his blog writings, along with his inability to speak against the racism in non-imaginary ways, tell a truer picture of what Yeagley advocates: the loss of sovereignty, and the assimilation of indigenous peoples.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #19

YEAGLEY — “The material presented is not false. No, it isn't complete, but the elements it did not show do not make false the elements it did show.”

Again, Yeagley is wrong. The video misrepresents everything about indigenous cultures; it presents a ‘false representation’ argument. The video skews the idea of individual cases that unfortunately result from living in oppressive conditions, and tries to pin them on the indigenous communities. The video completely omits the true cause: the systematic and sustained abuse that is institutionalized by non-indigenous cultures against indigenous people.

Then, by taking this skewed rationale, the video reasons that this ‘prison’ is of the indigenous and aboriginal people’s own making. The propaganda video argues that the unequal caste system is created and maintained by the indigenous people themselves. The video wrongly suggests that assimilation is the best response to this condition, completely ignoring the actual causes: genocide and continued racism.

Further, it is painfully obvious to those of us who have now witnessed David A. Yeagley’s disgusting statements on the propaganda video, that such racism is still a problem for indigenous peoples around the globe, as demonstrated by propaganda videos exactly like this one. Yes, this video actively contributes to further oppression, and in no way leads to any solutions, except for one historically-coveted “assimilation” model that is loved by the white supremacists.

HALF-BAKED RETRACTION #20

YEAGLEY — “Our Indian reservations have problems. Why? ...How do we get Indians to stop being alcoholics? Does their alcoholism have anything to do with the reservation? There are people who advocate the dissolution of the reservations. Are they right? Can we prove them wrong? I say, yes we can. I also have to say, we haven't proven them completely wrong just yet!”

Actually, these questions are infantile, and largely answered already. Of course, reservations are impoverished because the isolation was imposed upon indigenous people from OUTSIDE the reservations by NON-INDIANS. Yes, reservations are now, by default, the main places you can find concentrated indigenous culture, also the direct result of imposed poverty. Reservations, reserves, indigenous and aboriginal communities are living repositories of living cultures. Why? Because they were herded up and forced to live there without the same rights and privileges as everyone else.

Although reservations and reserves certainly can be improved from within, there still remains the continued racism and oppression that comes down on the heads of the indigenous peoples from the outside. By continuing this immature practice of indigenous holocaust denial, Yeagley is directly responsible for contributing to the efforts that keep ‘imposed poverty’ in place, as well as undercutting genuine indigenous sovereignty where it now exists.

IN SUMMARY

Yeagley could, and I suspect will, try to deflect criticism away from his own blunder, using all sorts of slight-of-hand rhetoric to redirect, race-bait, and even outright falsefy with pure imaginary fabrication. However, every argument Yeagley may wish to put forth, really rests on one underlying assumption about the video: does the video advocate for indigenous assimilation?

We know, from his own blog, that Yeagley has continually argued for a ‘supposed need’ for American Indians to assimilate into the superior white race, or the “great white throne” as he likes to call it. As ridiculous as this may sound, Yeagley has on many occasions denigrated people of color (which includes the Comanches) as “darkies,” while in the same proverbial breath advocating subservience to the “great white throne.”

Of race and politics, Yeagley is clearly a white segregationist, which is why many actual Comanches regard him as an Indian-in-name-only who pushes for indigenous people to give up their sovereignty to better satisfy the superior race. Yeagley will, most likely, continue to obfuscate in lame attempts to better his name, after his recent video blunders. But let us examine the fundamental question, is the video advocating for assimilation?

The clear answer is yes.

A. The video questions whether traditional culture holds the answer to the imposed caste system, without ever asking the alternative (and more historically sound) questions regarding oppression and the generational effect of genocide on an abused people.

B. The video admonishes Indians to “no longer live as victims of the past,” falsely setting up a straw man argument that dismisses past indigenous cultures in favor of present day cultures, but failing to reagrd all indigenous cultures as 100% present-day cultures.

C. Keith Windschuttle mischaracterizes the aboriginal lands as “wilderness” areas, relying on that mythical stereotype for the foundation of his rationale. Indigenous lands were never considered wilderness areas except by non-indigenous people. The ethnocentric discrimination of Windschuttle becomes even more balatant when he starts referring to indigenous land as the mythical “garden of eden,” which is actually a Western-European mythology, and not indigenous at all. Moreover, Windschuttle falls into an anthropological trap, one practiced by the old armchair anthropologists, of not distinguishing between what is actually happening within indigenous cultures versus what Windschuttle himself imagines is going on. Windschuttle falls victim to the already defunct Western myth of “the primitive” vs. “the modern” archtype, when all indigenous people are of the modern variety.

D. The video falsely states that Indian people were “given autonomy” (Keith Windschuttle), and it has been a failure. The truth is, of course, that aboriginal people everywhere have not been given equal status nor equal opportunities, despite proclamations to the contrary. In a very practical sense, no justice means no equality. By mistreating indigenous people as victims of their past, as victims of their leaders, or of their culture are all false straw man arguments, intended only to preserve racist inequality. These imaginary justifications are all completely ahistorical.

In the video, Keith Windschuttle states that Indian languages should die off, because they are of no further use. Obviously, they are considered of no use only to Windschuttle and most probably David Yeagley. But Windschuttle is completely ignoring important calls of the indigenous communities themselves to maintain indigenous languages and thought. Windschuttle’s view is reductionist and utilitarian from a purely Euro-centric point of view, and he should have no proper place on the ABC board, his recent appointment under increasing criticism.

Also, in the video, Windschuttle clearly states that white society should get the indigenous “children” to white schools, to assimilate them into society even if their parents will not be assimilated. Am I mistaken or does this sound exactly like the Carlisle Indian baording school failure instituted under Col. Pratt? Our advice to Windschuttle is that it’s already been tried, and already failed miserably.

If you really want to hear it straight, it’s a reality that Indigenous people around the globe will not be ‘put down,’ it’s that simple. This propaganda video, Historiens Fångar, including David A. Yeagley’s eager but egotistical contribution, are actually part of the same assimilation propaganda they seek to overlook in their own video.

Windschuttle’s ethnocentric lack of empathy, Yeagley’s uncritical racial pandering, and even the disordered speculations of One Nation United’s Barbara Lindsay, are all three contributing factors to the continued ‘putting down’ of indigenous people. Any back-peddling Yeagley may attempt in the near future, will not alter his willing participation — as a national “Comanche” spokesperson — that clearly advocates for an anti-Indian agenda.

Yeagley both assisted, and appeared in, this ill-conceived propaganda video with his own eager-beaver support, fully aware of his own egotistical role as an assumed ‘national spokesman’ for indigenous people everywhere.

We may never know why Yeagley (or the other two) do what they do, but Yeagley clearly does most of what he does to pitifully bolster his personal notoriety. From the observations above, and from Yeagley’s own misstatements, it appears that Yeagley’s participation had very little to do with genuine altruism. But this time around, Yeagley set himself up for obvious criticism, desired or not, by directly arguing for continued assimilation of indigenous peoples and by advocating for forced culture change that exists for the sole purpose of keeping indigenous people buried under imposed poverty.

Scathing Review of Yeagley in Racist Film "Prisoners of the Past"

2008-02-13T09:04:00.003-06:00

MORE NONSENSE FROM YEAGLEY
from the Bad Eagle journal

David A. Yeagley appears twice in the propaganda video, Historiens Fångar ("prisoners of the past" or "history's prisoners"), on Danish TV1* (2-4-08), with distortions and falsehoods videotaped in his [step]mother’s old living room.

The video points out that indigenous people are suffering, but not from the net results of continuing racism and discrimination, oh no. The video falsely heaps that undeserved suffering on the indigenous people themselves and their leaders; it is all their own fault according to the video. It is a classic case of indigenous holocaust denial, denial of the continued harm that non-Indian discrimination causes, and another instance of a blatant blame-the-victim rationale.

The video confuses indigenous culture as a past reality that is no longer present today, versus the modern material life of non-Indians. On the one hand, the video champions the contemporary material life of “modern convenience,” of which indigenous people are culturally accepting, of course, because indigenous people also are modern people. But the video falsely equates ‘material life’ with the requisite abandonment of modern indigenous culture in order for indigenous people to make use of those modern conveniences.

The video uses a straw man argument, by first relegating modern indigenous culture into the past, and then shooting down that hypothesis because indigenous people are not living in the past anymore. It’s a false argument to say indigenous people are culturally responsible for their own impoverishment, as — even today — indigenous people are still denied equal access to the same resources and opportunities readily available to non-indigenous people.

In other words, the video compares apples and oranges, in a double-standard, by falsely placing traditional indigenous life in the past and then denying the value of indigenous culture in the present day, completely forgetting that indigenous cultures are also a present-day reality.

Today’s indigenous people remain poor due to contemporary racism and predatory poverty, and it is to their credit that indigenous people have been able to maintain their cultural roots while facing the American holocaust, and ongoing oppression that still occurs from the aggressive colonizing powers.

The main reason indigenous people suffer today, of course, is from continued discrimination by non-Indians, massive abuse of indigenous rights and treaties, endemic theft of land and resources by the United States of America, and population control through imposed poverty.

Historiens Fångar is a propaganda video that uses a straw man argument against contemporary indigenous people, and David Yeagley has happily contributed his own racist and misogynist voice to aid the film’s mischaracterizations and falsehoods.

There should be no remaining doubt why the Comanche people shun David Yeagley, not after his latest “Comanche” impersonation in this latest attack of holocaust-denial propaganda. The script of Yeagley’s four appearances in the propaganda video, with screen shots, is below. Try not to puke.
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YEAGLEY’S FIRST APPEARANCE

KEITH WINDSCHUTTLE

“Traditional Aboriginal culture is gone. It’s a museum piece. Most people don’t want to live in a museum.”

[images of an Indian, chains,and caged monkey behind bars]

NARRATOR

“Across the globe, we admire indigenous peoples and their pasts. But how do they and
their children live, once the coach loads of tourist leave their reservations?”

DAVID YEAGLEY

“When the warrior was finally defeated, he became the reservation Indian” (leaning
forehead toward camera for added emphasis).

“Th, the loser. The alcoholic. The depressed, keep-away-from-me, leave-me-alone” (swipes hand in air for added emphasis).

[video of someone getting arrested]

NARRATOR

“In reality have the young decedents of the proud warriors and hunters of Greenland,
Australia and the U.S., been trapped in all this by their very own leaders?”

[nebulous, unidentified, intended-to-scare image]

WOMAN

“It’s quite obvious we’ve marched a lot of years, and nothing’s changed. So there’s
got to be another approach.”

[children playing in muddy water]

NARRATOR

“Does what-once-was really hold the answers to their deprivation?”

“Or have the leaders trapped their people and hobbled them to the past?”

[Title Screen: “Historiens Fångar,” with feathered mask image intended to
mischaracterize Indians as “primitive’]

YEAGLEY’S SECOND APPEARANCE

[video of police detaining someone]

NARRATOR

“As the police take the little girl away, we ask if there’s a magic wand that could save the Indian peoples. Would loads of money prevent this human and social deprivation at a stroke?”

[images of slave chains, and the stereotyped ‘feathered warrior’ Indian on horseback]

NARRATOR

“This is the way the proud Indians were to be saved. It would bring welfare to the poorest minority in the country, the American Indians.”

[various generic 'B-roll' video images from inside a casino]

DAVID YEAGLEY

“They have enriched a few. A few families. Generally speaking, they have not enriched Indian people across the country.”

YEAGLEY’S THIRD APPEARANCE

NARRATOR

“Hidden behind gates like these around the U.S.A., you’ll find the small group of U.S. Indians who make vast amounts of money from the casino industry.”

[video images of some gated communities someplace]

DAVID YEAGLEY

“Casino money has a created a circumstance where all the weakness of Indian government are aggrandized, magnified, multiplied beyond tolerability”
(leaning forehead into camera for added emphasis).

YEAGLEY’S FOURTH APPEARANCE

KEITH WINDSCHUTTLE

“I’ve become, um, a very unpopular figure partly because I’m not afraid to say
the whole result is a disaster, um. for a long time you were not allowed to
criticize aboriginal people, you’re not allowed to criticize their position, ah,
you had to pretend that everything was wonderful and, um, because criticism, public
criticism, was regarded as letting the side down, and, ah, for that I, I’m called a
rashist [racist], um, I’m um, I’m ca, called an enemy of aboriginal people.”

NARRATOR

“And while children and youth stand outside waiting to be old enough to join the daily party, more and more people across the globe are questioning the sense of
these enclosed autonomous reserves and nations.”

DAVID YEAGLEY

“The idea that you can build a community with its own government, with its own
economy, its own schools, its own language. That’s the idea that many Indian leaders are hoping for. They cut off themselves from participation, from successful positive
participation in the world around them”
(leaning backwards in chair to emphasize “highbrow” stature).

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One of the more disgusting features of this propaganda film, is race-baiting one indigenous people against the others. None of the dark-skinned indigenous peoples were presented anywhere in this film as anything other than populations of primitive “problem” people around the world.

However, when the video starts to posit hope for indigenous people, such as building colleges, creating chances for self-determination, employment and education opportunities, the producers sought out a white-skinned, blonde-haired young woman, Marit Anne Sara, from the Sami reindeer-herder tribe in northern Norway. The narrator described the Sami people as, literally, “the shining example” for the rest of the world’s indigenous peoples, without mentioning any other indigenous college whatsoever from anywhere else on the planet.

So, rather than use positive footage they shot while at the Comanche Nation College (CNC) in Lawton, Oklahoma, while they were there — to show an exemplary modern educational system by indigenous people — the propaganda producers utilized the light-complexioned Sami people as their uplifting example of indigenous empowerment, ignoring over 550 tribes in the mainland U.S. who also achieve professional success beyond the university and postdoctorate level.

And, what DID they show of the CNC? They searched for and found an empty classroom with no one in it, and then edited THAT particular footage into the video — not a very accurate representation. That's called 'cherry-picking' to serve an ideological agenda — in the video's case — to show tribes as "unsuccessful" in order to further rationalize removing them. That's called anti-Indian, or cherry-picking for an anti-sovereignty agenda.

Yeagley himself went 'on and on' about supporting this exact position, that tribes and tribal leaders are heading in the wrong direction, heading to sovereignty. According to Yeagley, these futile attempts by Indian nations to remain sovereign, and remain self-governed, is a wretchedly isolationist pursuit not worthy of the pitiful creatures. But remember, Yeagley is also claiming to BE one of these woeful creatures he so easily disparages. Not a very positive position to take for a supposed "Comanche."

It was a disgusting thing to witness, the video actively trying to pit one indigenous people against all the other indigenous peoples; the basic plot of the entire propaganda video is one giant act of cinematic race-baiting. I mean, come on, exactly what are the split-screen images of caged monkeys behind bars next to indigenous people supposed to mean?! There are not many ways to interpret it besides racist propaganda.

For more of the back-story on the video's so-called "historian" and other white supremacist commentators used in this propaganda video, be sure to read the latest article over at DavidYeagley.org: Yeagley With Other White Supremacists in Racist Film Prisoners of the Past, as well. It is excellent.

Of course it must be pointed out, regarding Yeagley’s four appearances (above), that Indian “leaders” are actually Indians too, chosen by the tribes themselves — born citizens of indigenous communities with whom they serve — and therefore a democratic part of the vital tribal communities from which they come. The idea of indigenous ‘leaders’ cannot to be twisted into some foreign monarchy ideology of enslaving the indigenous masses.

The Indian people are the ones who decide who and what they are by inherent sovereign initiative, not by decree of the United States of America. Yeagley simply plays along with the slipshod propaganda, as an unquestioning and unreasoning enabler. Yeagley’s lack of honest intellectual curiosity is obviously one of the reasons he was fired from a briefly-held instructor position, and why the Comanche Nation College has never taken seriously his application to teach inside the Comanche community. More can be said about Yeagley's harboring resentment toward the comanche Nation College, which I will elaborate on in the next installment.

It should be noted, too, that many tribal businesses — including casinos — greatly enrich not only the casino-owning tribes, but through tribe-to-tribe agreements, the other non-casino tribes as well. In Minnesota, in fact, there are revenue-sharing agreements in place between casino-tribes and non-casino tribes, and even a sharing agreement with the State of Minnesota.

The indigenous people recognize the need to share, and to lift all people up together. It’s this indigenous foundation of sharing and reciprocity, that permeates all Indian cultures, from the potlatch ceremonies of the northwest, to the stick ball and stomp dance gatherings of the southeast. From an indigenous point-of-view, we are all-in-this-together, in other words, a concept that eludes David Yeagley’s individualistic, and rather selfish, ideology.

On a more direct note, Yeagley claims citizenship in the Comanche Nation, who themselves own and manage at least three casino businesses:

Comanche Nation Casino
402 Southeast Interstate Drive
Lawton, Oklahoma 73501

Comanche Nation Star Casino
Route 3 Post Office Box 82A
Walters, Oklahoma 73572

Comanche Spur Casino
9047 US Hwy 62
Elgin, Oklahoma 73538-2922

More importantly, it is confirmed from the tribal office, that Yeagley receives the same ‘per capita’ checks that all other tribal enrollees receive, an income generated directly from the Comanche casino profits. Yet, instead of giving back the tribal “handout” in protest, Yeagley keeps it for himself — every single time!

How do you say: "I'm living off indigenous casino money, and could not hold onto a real paying job my entire life," in Danish or Comanche?

So, for all his backwards propaganda, enabling ideologies, misogyny blogging, self-loathing rants, and pseudo-intellectualism laced with denial, we can simply regard “David A. Yeagley” as nothing more than a common hypocrite after all.

An Open Letter to the Makers of "Prisoners of the Past"

2008-02-12T09:15:00.000-06:00

I sent this letter to the filmmakers, and passed it on to supporters of indigenous peoples in Scandinavia. It has been translated and reposted, among other places, by Green Party members.

What the filmmakers, as well as Yeagley, Lindsay, and Windschuttle have done is beyond racist. The film is a deliberate attempt to roll back indigenous rights worldwide, urging on cultural genocide.

The film is so extreme that even Yeagley is having second thoughts about his taking part in the film. More on that from Brent Michael Davids in a future post. However I suspect Yeagley is mostly worried that his true nature is being exposed more than he would like.

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An Open Letter to Poul-Erik Heilbruth and Ingmar Persson:

Dear Mr. Heilbruth and Mr. Persson,

I am Dr. Al Carroll. I am a history professor for the Alamo Community College District in San Antonio, Texas, in the United States. I have written books and articles on American Indian history and am American Indian myself. My ancestry is Mescalero Apache, as well as Mexican and Irish.

This letter to you both will be posted online and sent to as many media sources as possible, in both the United States and Scandinavia. I want everyone to know just what a travesty the two of you have foisted upon the public by making and broadcasting your racist film, doing enormous damage to indigenous peoples worldwide by your promotion of outright cultural genocide.

I have just seen your documentary "Prisoners of the Past" online. As a historian, I have never seen such a poorly done work filled with one falsehood and distortion after another. It is as appalling to watch your film as it is to see a Nazi rant about Jews. Both are equally filled with lies.

There are so many falsehoods that it is hard to know where to begin. But to start with, the biggest error in your film is this:

YOU USED THREE WHITE SUPREMACISTS AS SOURCES.

David Yeagley, Barbara Lindsay, and Keith Winschuttle ARE WHITE SUPREMACISTS and on the extreme Far Right of the political spectrum.

Two of them, Yeagley and Lindsay, are open members of white supremacist groups.

What you did is as insane as using Nazis or the Nation of Islam as a source on Jews.

I have to ask: Did you KNOWINGLY use white supremacists as your sources?

Are you white supremacists yourselves?

Or did you just do such a poor job of research that you did not know?

If you did not know, then I urge you in the strongest possible terms to apologize for your mistakes, withdraw the film, and hopefully reshoot it with the voices of actual Native people instead.

Let me provide with the proof you SHOULD have known about long BEFORE you started filming, that Yeagley, Lindsay, and Windschuttle are openly racist, white supremacist extremists.

Barbara Lindsay:

Barbara Lindsay is a leading member of the white supremacist group One Nation. She claims to have a small amount of Cherokee Indian ancestry, but is not a member of any tribe. She was expelled from a Cherokee heritage club.

David Yeagley is NOT American Indian at all. He is an imposter who POSES as Indian. His stepmother was Comanche Indian, and based on that he was mistakenly enrolled.

Yeagley is a member of or tied to the following white supremacist and extremist groups:

John Birch Society (anti Semitic conspiracy theorists)

National Alliance (white supremacist)

Stormfront (Neo Nazi skinheads)

Gene Expression (eugenicists)

VDARE (self described as "white nationalists")

Windschuttle is not a conservative, he's outright racist, and often makes up "facts" to support his racism. His take on history so bizarre and filled with lies he can't find an academic publisher and has to go to vanity publishers.

But he and his supporters seem to imagine that because he's clearly seen as racist is somehow proof that academia has been taken over by leftists. In fact most historians tend to be quite conservative, certainly in the sense of cautious.

See for yourselves what far better historians have to say about an open racist like Windschuttle.

http://blogs.usyd.edu.au/thinkingculture/2006/08/australias_racist_cultures.html
"Further, you can find a very thorough analysis of the various ways in which racism manifests in Keith Windschuttle's self-published (as opposed to 'serious academic') research in 'Whitewash: On Keith Windschuttle's Fabrication of Aboriginal History', Black Inc. Agenda, 2003. The book contains contributions from scholars across the Australian academy."

Windschuttle is pretty racist towards Asians too, imagining them "taking over," that whites are "endangered", and that being racist is central to white Australian identity.

http://www.borderlandsejournal.adelaide.edu.au/vol5no1_2006/perera_raceterror.htm

"22. Anglo-Australian men as an endangered species in the law are only a part of Fraser's apocalyptic vision of the future. In an article, "Rethinking the White Australia Policy" (a review of Keith Windschuttle's book, The White Australia Policy), Fraser asserts:

Within two or three decades, it is not unreasonable to expect that Australia will have a heavily Asian managerial-professional, ruling class that will not hesitate to promote the interests of co-ethnics at the expense of white Australians. (Fraser 2005b).

23. Fraser supports this statement with the fantastic notion, as recapped by Windschuttle, that "Europeans ... evolved in a cold climate to support non-kinship forms of reciprocity and thus to welcome strangers," while "Chinese and Japanese businessmen operate within mafia-like, extended family clans that are bound by shared genes to support one another" (Windschuttle 2005)....

Despite their internal differences, however, Windschuttle, Fraser and Duffy represent an institutionalised and politically powerful configuration of contemporary Australian nationalism that exists on a continuum with assertions of race pride that are usually disowned as extremist....

30. The most distinctive feature of the formation represented by Duffy and Windschuttle is its foregrounding of Anglo-Australian achievement and white racial pride. Its platform is premised on a whitewashing (Manne 2003) of Australian history, especially of the violence directed towards Indigenous people and their ongoing resistances."

Your film's premises blame the victims throughout, and show a lack of understanding of the most basic facts.

I can only hope you made these mistakes because you did not realize that you were being told lies by white supremacists.

Again, I urge you to admit your mistakes, apologize, and withdraw this awful, racist film you have made.

Thank you,

Dr. Al Carroll

Alamo Community College District

San Antonio, Texas, USA

Yeagley With Other White Supremacists in Racist Film "Prisoners of the Past"

2008-02-08T07:03:00.000-06:00

"Prisoners of the Past" is not just an offensive or unbalanced film, but one that outright promotes white supremacy, using three white supremacists (David Yeagley, Barbara Lindsay, and Keith Windschuttle) as sources. It's as insane as using Nazis or the Nation of Islam as a source on Jews.

The film also is a "blame the victim" racist smear that clearly is urging the outright destruction of indigenous cultures worldwide. It falsely imagines that American Indians, Australian Aborigines, and Sammi are somehow "entirely independent" instead of what they really are, locked in struggles with powerful nation-states to regain some control over their own lives. Anyone Native knows that the US gov't, to take one example, has an enormous amount of control over Native lives, lands, education, health, even sacred religious sites.

The film instead makes several ridiculous assumptions:

That indigenous cultures harm indigenous peoples, when actually they are our greatest source of strength in the face of racism and genocide.

That indigenous people adapting aspects of other cultures somehow makes them "less" indigenous. But do Europeans cease being European when they use NATIVE technology, hundreds of Native medicines and inventions like quinine, hammocks, canoes, kayaks, freeze dried foods, asphalt on roads, etc?

It's also very disturbing how the filmmaker even manage to get it totally wrong on the one indigenous group they should have known the most about, Sammis. The Sammi I met in Sweden did not strike me as "assimilated" but as very proud of their heritage and providing a great example of holding onto their culture in the face of everything. They have secured for themselves many victories that Natives here in the US don't have, such as protection against selling counterfeit crafts.

That David Yeagley is a white supremacist posing as part Comanche is well documented.Tthat he has ties to or is a member of numerous white supremacist groups and other extremists on the far right like the John Birch Society, the National Alliance, Stormfront, VDARE, eugenicists Gene Expression, and One Nation is also beyond dispute. Yeagley himself brags about his white racist allies.

Barbara Lindsay also appears in the film, is of the notorious One Nation. She was expelled from a Cherokee heritage group for her membership in that white supremacist group.

Keith Windschuttle is not conservative, he's outright racist and white supremacist, and often makes up "facts" to support his racism. His take on history so extremist he can't find an academic publisher and has to self-publish. But he and his supporters imagine that because he's clearly seen as racist is somehow proof that academia has been taken over by leftists.

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http://blogs.usyd.edu.au/thinkingculture/2006/08/australias_racist_cultures.html
"Further, you can find a very thorough analysis of the various ways in which racism manifests in Keith Windschuttle's self-published (as opposed to 'serious academic') research in 'Whitewash: On Keith Windschuttle's Fabrication of Aboriginal History', Black Inc. Agenda, 2003. The book contains contributions from scholars across the Australian academy."

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Windschuttle is pretty racist towards Asians too, imagining them "taking over," that whites are "endangered", and that being racist is central to white Australian identity.

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http://www.borderlandsejournal.adelaide.edu.au/vol5no1_2006/perera_raceterror.htm

"22. Anglo-Australian men as an endangered species in the law are only a part of Fraser's apocalyptic vision of the future. In an article, "Rethinking the White Australia Policy" (a review of Keith Windschuttle's book, The White Australia Policy), Fraser asserts:

Within two or three decades, it is not unreasonable to expect that Australia will have a heavily Asian managerial-professional, ruling class that will not hesitate to promote the interests of co-ethnics at the expense of white Australians. (Fraser 2005b).

23. Fraser supports this statement with the fantastic notion, as recapped by Windschuttle, that "Europeans ... evolved in a cold climate to support non-kinship forms of reciprocity and thus to welcome strangers," while "Chinese and Japanese businessmen operate within mafia-like, extended family clans that are bound by shared genes to support one another" (Windschuttle 2005)....

Despite their internal differences, however, Windschuttle, Fraser and Duffy represent an institutionalised and politically powerful configuration of contemporary Australian nationalism that exists on a continuum with assertions of race pride that are usually disowned as extremist....

30. The most distinctive feature of the formation represented by Duffy and Windschuttle is its foregrounding of Anglo-Australian achievement and white racial pride. Its platform is premised on a whitewashing (Manne 2003) of Australian history, especially of the violence directed towards Indigenous people and their ongoing resistances."

Yeagley the Star of a Racist Anti-Indian Film in Europe

2008-02-05T09:17:00.000-06:00

I just received this report from a supporter in Europe, Annika Banfeld, who runs a charity for Native children, World In Our Hands, and was one of the filmmakers for a powerful documentary, Spirits For Sale, that was made with the enthusiastic cooperation of Native traditionalists such as Arvol Looking Horse.

This is the latest in Yeagley's "how low can he go" attempts. It seems there is nothing he won't do to undercut Native people and promote anti-Indian racism.

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"I got quite happy noticing there would be a Danish documentary about Indigenous peoples on TV tonight. That film had got sponsormoney from just about all Scandinavian countries and from institutes and funds...

It all starts with a white history professor saying: "There are no traditional cultures left, they are all in museums!"(Oh, geez, this doesn´t start well, I thought).

It got worse. Much worse. The film might have been called "Ten Reasons to Dislike Indigenous Peoples." It showed nothing but drunks and criminals. When they finally got to American Indians, after aborigines and Inuits, all they showed were the casinos. The footage from the reservations was filmed with hidden cameras to show the ongoing arguments between tribal members. And because they were not welcomed to film on the reservations, they said....

And the spokesperson for Indians was David Yeagley!!!

The conclusion of the film was that all Indians should assimilate, the reservations should close down and the professor finished by repeating that no traditional cultures were left. The success for native people was how modern they were living, not how traditionally they were living!! No one bothered to ask any traditionalists what they thought, though.....

The Danish/Swedish title was "Prisoners of the past". Don´t know if it has an English title.....

It was made and produced by Danish National TV. The gist of the film was that Native people have been fooled by the leaders to think they need to keep old traditions, languages and ceremonies instead of assimilating - hence the title...."

Yeagley Not Only Hates Blacks, He Even Defends Slavery

2008-01-17T09:18:00.000-06:00

The latest from Brent Michael David's www.badeagle.org.

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1/08/2008
D. ANTHONY Y. HATES BLACK PEOPLE
from the Bad Eagle blog

It must be irritating to no end, for D. Anthony Y. to feel the onslaught of (gulp) a black US president. So irritating, in fact, that the Stormfront author, little david, buys into the tired old word game of using Obama’s middle name, and tries in vain to characterize him as something other than black, to somehow pit him against other blacks in America.

Truth is, there’s really no distinct black race at all, there are simply too many variations to genuinely categorize, though little david may try with all his might. There are Cherokee blacks, Comanche blacks, light blacks, black lights and black light hair spray for white Comanches. Race only exists as a cultural postulate, not as an actual entity.

The one-percent Comanche desperately wants to pontificate that Obama is “different” to create a boogeyman of him, all the while being laughed at from all quarters for his easy-to-see bigotry.

But there’s a much simpler way to account for the porcelain pontificator’s recent blogger behavior, D. Anthony Y. simply hates blacks, that’s all. We know this. We’ve read his rants for years now. He’s a white supremacist.

If you are turning a blind eye to this fact, you are the foolish one, dear reader. This means YOU, the musicians who play his works in public without so much as blinking, the organizations that cater to little david by ignoring his bigotry in the public sphere without a conscience, and the cultural institutions that think the “darkie” pontificator is a worthy role model for our youth. Pull your damn heads out of sand. Wake up.

Yeagley — “Yep. THat's it. Lets us all be black. Get all them white women pregnant with black chillin's. Good grief. What a prospect. Is that all the black race is about” (Dec 2007).

Yeagley — “I'm tired of talking about blacks. I'm going to start shutting down some threads and banning people... This is an American Indian site” (May 2007).

Yeagley — “Slavery, properly understood, is not an evil at all. True, the 13th Amendment is known as the Amendment which abolished slavery, but that was only as a commercial institution... Clearly, the baby was thrown out with the bathwater” (May 2006).

Yeagley — “There is a tremendous drive in many white women to experiment with the darkies... The sexual aggression of the Negro, particularly when surrounded by those not of his race, is well known” (Oct 2004).

Yeagley — “The darkness of the Negro has always repulsed other races” (Mar 2002).

More on Yeagley's Humiliating Defeat

2007-12-27T21:29:00.000-06:00

More sites have reposted the Indybay.org article:

http://lists.topica.com/lists/IndigenousNewsNetwork/read/message.html?sort=d&mid=914033355

Thanks to Andre Cramblit of AIM and ICARE.

http://nativeunity.blogspot.com/2007/12/white-supremacist-defeated-in-comanche.html
http://badeagleorg.livejournal.com/2007/12/24/
http://oppforum.com/index.php?topic=1651.msg9498#msg9498
http://www.strategicboard.com/index.php?s=MOBI
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=98128197&blogID=340051194&Mytoken=F57CF83A-D7C5-4F39-AA5E40AA4EE2C8F367331499
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/I_P_I/message/18419
http://www.rlnn.com/

That last link was at the Red Lake Network News, the site of yet another great tragedy where Yeagley chose to insult the victims.

These comments were left at the Indybay.org site:

Great to hear!
by John Bishop
Monday Dec 24th, 2007 12:58 PM
Good to hear that Yeagley keeps getting his butt kicked. This pretender is a disgrace who doesn't fool anyone except a few gullible whites who want a token Indian and a couple self hating apple Indian sellouts.

Yeagley hates himself slightly more than he hates his own
by Louis Gray
Monday Dec 24th, 2007 9:02 PM
David is an insignificant flea in Indian country, but he is important to racist groups out to terminate our people. So he is a thing we can't fully ignore.
So news of his defeat is gratifying to hear. I'm shocked he received even one vote. There is always someone for some reason who supports the hateful.
Yeagley will dissappear into the hateful sunset some day because you really can't stay that crazy for very long.
To the rest of the proud Comanche Nation. Good job in turning him away from leadership; you saved yourself a big headache.

On the Native American Issues yahoo group one poster called for Yeagley's ban from reservations.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Native_American_Issues_Causes/message/15033

"Hey Steph, that was a great article and good to know about this creep Yeagley. He should be banned off the reservation not only the Comanche, all reservations. I wish he lived around my area me and my buddies would kick his butt every time we seen him, and would most likely shave off his funny hair leaving him bald so he could look like one of his neo-Nazi skinhead friends. There has to be something mentally wrong with people like him who wants to ruin a nation of people, but he's just another ugly piece of the puzzle that is walking this country. There has to be an end to this type of scumbag, I wish I could take him on a one way vacation to South America.
Dan Wolf... Venceremos"

The Truth Spreads About Yeagley

2007-12-22T09:24:00.000-06:00

In less than three days, twenty websites have reposted the Indybay.org article, "White Supremacist Suffers Humiliating Defeat in Run for Comanche Nation Vice President."

I especially like Pechanga.net's title above it describing Yeagley, "MORON ALERT."

Add "moron" to other nicknames for Yeagley in Indian Country, like "1% Yeagley" and "Michael Jackson."

It's also amusing that the article made the Really Weird News.

Thanks to all, but especially to Nicole N over at Citizens Against Hate, who seems to have done the most to spread the word.

http://nicolen.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/comanche-white-supremacist-humiliated/
http://badeagledotorg.blogspot.com/2007/12/white-supremacist-suffers-humiliating.html
http://www.pechanga.net/NativeNewsGovernmentPolitics.html
http://noborderscamp.org/en/aggregator?page=5
http://noborderscamp.org/es/aggregator/sources/4
http://wordpress.com/tag/anti-semitism/
http://health.einnews.com/news/middle-east-disabilities
http://th.wordpress.com/tag/anti-semetic/
http://niksnest.blogspot.com/
http://niksnest.blogspot.com/2007/09/former-white-supremacist-in-roanoke.html
http://music.einnews.com/news/janet-jackson
http://te.wordpress.com/tag/racism/
http://www.einnews.com/iran/newsfeed-iran-crime
http://uk.wordpress.com/tag/racism/
http://bg.wordpress.com/tag/racism/
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:vJoiqe5CF9UJ:supremacist.mobi/news.php+%22white+supremacist+suffers&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=21&gl=us
http://fi.wordpress.com/tag/racism/
http://uk.wordpress.com/tag/anti-semitism/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/indigenous_peoples_literature/message/23351
http://weirdnews.yicha.com/news/weird-accidents?sort=views

Report to CERTAIN, the SPLC, IndyBay.org, and Z Magazine

2007-12-17T14:13:00.000-06:00

The following article was submitted to:
Coalition to End Racially based Targeting of American Indian Nations (CERTAIN)
Hatewatch site the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)
Independent media websites IndyBay.org and Z Magazine

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White Supremacist Suffers Humiliating Defeat in Run for Comanche Nation Vice President

David Yeagley, a white supremacist who has made a career out of posing as both a mainstream conservative and part-Comanche, fared extremely poorly in a special election for Comanche Nation Vice President, coming in a very distant fourth place out of four candidates.

Yeagley only got 102 votes, or slightly over 10%, in an election that also had an extremely low turnout of only 10%. That means that the number of eligible Comanche voters who cast their ballot for Yeagley was about 1%. Already Yeagley's loss has earned him a new nickname in Indian Country, ""1% Yeagley."

Yeagley and his supporters, in a rather bizarre denial of reality, claimed victory since he expected to only get "about five votes." Yet elsewhere in Indian Country, Natives that are familiar with Yeagley's chequered career are celebrating his getting his head handed to him.

Yeagley became enrolled with the Comanche Nation by accident, because his stepmother was Comanche. Kiowa disabled rights activist Cinda Hughes investigated and uncovered that it is a fairly open "secret" among Comanches that Yeagley was adopted. Comanche traditions do not allow for banishing anyone, no matter how contemptible their actions or beliefs.

Yeagley is a member of the white supremacist One Nation, which works against American Indians, especially on the issue of tribal sovereignty. He also is a speaker for the notoriously anti Semitic John Birch Society, best known for its bizarre conspiracy theories. Yeagley also is a supporter and associates with members of the National Alliance, the neo-Nazi skinhead group Storm Front (a Storm Front member moderated a section of Yeagley's message board on Jews), the eugenics website Gene Expression, and self described white nationalists and anti immigrant vigilantes the Minutemen.

Yeagley has long been a notorious character in Indian Country. He routinely refers to nonwhites (including American Indians) as "darkies." He has called for the mass murder of illegal immigrants and the mass deportation of all Arabs and Muslims. He frequently describes his admiration for Hitler, Columbus, and the Shah of Iran. Yeagley once compared Janet Jackson to an ape and called Martin Luther King "a blight on history." Yeagley received the strongest criticism when he attacked the Virginia Tech University shooting victims as "cowards."

Yeagley tried various tactics to boost his vote count in the campaign. According to one source in the Comanche Nation, literally every last vote for Yeagley was an absentee ballot. This suggests that Yeagley pushed his backers to vote early, before anyone could discover his unsavory past and beliefs.

Yeagley's campaign was marked by almost comical mistakes on his part. He gave a speech discussing Comanche clans. The problem is, the Comanche do not have clans. Yeagley was asked during a debate about the Indian Child Welfare Act, one of the most controversial issues in Indian Country. Yeagley was forced to admit he had never heard of it. Perhaps the most amusing fumble in his campaign came when Yeagley went to the Comanche courthouse, only to hide out from a group of Comanche women asking why he had lied about his stepmother being elected to a tribal post.

Such mistakes in Yeagley's attempt to pass himself off as Comanche are not new, and have long made him the butt of jokes in both the Comanche Nation and across Indian Country. Yeagley has often become an unwitting source of amusement at tribal council meetings, where anyone enrolled may speak. He once argued for the Comanche Nation to be the first to set up a tribally run bank. The first American Indian tribally run bank was begun more than twenty years ago, and more than two dozen exist today. His attempts to "look more Indian" also make him hard for many to take him seriously. Yeagley straightened his curly brown hair and dyed it black, and is fond of pancake makeup and turtleneck sweaters. Rumors swirl that he has had plastic surgery and have earned him another nickname, "Michael Jackson."

Yet his attempts to use dubious claims of American Indian ancestry to promote his white supremacy beliefs are no joke. Sometimes hardline conservatives find him useful to use as a token, and quote him as though he had a serious following within Indian Country. In this he follows in a long tradition of others claiming to be American Indian being used by the right wing such as 'Princess Pale Moon" and "Chief AJ."

"1% Yeagley": Comanches Reject Yeagley by a Landslide

2007-12-04T21:16:00.000-06:00

Yeagley went to down to a humiliating defeat in his campaign for Comanche Vice President. 90% of Comanches voted against him in a vote that drew only about 10% turnout.

That means that barely one out of a hundred eligible Comanche voters voted for Yeagley. Yes, Yeagley actually got only 1% of Comanche votes.

Yeagley came in an extremely distant fourth place out of four. The leading candidate, Ronald Red Elk, garnered more than four times as many votes.

One Comanche source stated literally every last vote Yeagley got were absentee votes. That suggests two things:

Very few of the tiny number who voted for him knew his actual views. Yeagley quickly realized he had to keep his white supremacy beliefs to himself, and that he had to get naive voters to cast their ballot for him before they could find out about his many notorious positions, from hatred for American Indian veterans to his attacks on the Virginia Tech massacre victims as "cowards".

Or that his tiny amount of support came entirely from people not living in the Comanche community, people who had not witnessed him repeatedly embarass himself with such acts as hiding out from women critics and not knowing the most basic things about Comanche culture.

A few quick reactions to the news:

His message is harmful to all Indians. He perpetuates stereotypes and provides racists with ammunition to attack Indians. The Comanche saw right through this imposter attempting to infiltrate their tribal government.
-Bawb

That is really good news.

You gotta understand that those of us who were not in a position to know his status in Comanche country were holding our breaths because if he had won he would have jacked up his "Indian" pulpit even higher than it is and attacked all tribes from that forum.

Congratulations.
-Steve Russell, Cherokee and law professor

Funny how Comanches have never seen any of his family at the meetings. They are from the OKC area, they didn't even show at that meeting.

I'm disappointed he got 100 votes = 100 idiots!

I'll tell you why I'm so dissapointed. There will be a run-off. This is not good. That position has been open for 3quarters of a year and this idiot who's shameless self-promotion of just "being on the ballot" has hindered the progress of my nation.

The winner must get greater than 50% of the vote. Now it will take another 2 months to process another election by that time, whoever runs will be out that year the position has been open.

He cares only about himself. In his deficient un-reality, he thinks good for him is good for others.

His learning curve is about 50 years behind. Our people used to embrace the mascots simple because we wanted others to know we were still here. Today, we are WAYYYYYYYyyyy beyond that imagery. This fool is imbedded in this twisted, early 20th century limited ignorant belief.
-Comanacha

Unfortunately to this Yeagley person he will now use this whole thing and prop himself up even more than he does by adding to his Indian resume that he actually ran for a seat somewhere amongst the proud Comanche nation. To white people he will appear more legitimate to them . To his critics this solidifies that he is REGISTERED as he can actually run for a seat reserved only for registered/blooded comanches. Oh well, just another huckster.
-Pinebones
http://www.indianz.com/board/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=29727

Yeagley's Campaign for Comanche Vice President a Huge Failure

2007-11-28T18:36:00.000-06:00

Yeagley's appearance at the first candidate's debate only showed him to be ignorant and out of touch.

Homegrown:
"I talked to one friend who was there last night. She said Yeagley is one woppish pasty looking skinny guy. He had no clue what ICWA was or what he would do to work with Chairman Coffey on Comanche issues. She said actually he just sat there kind of disassociated with the whole thing and couldn't answer straight out why he wanted to be Vice Chairman anyway. So he's not getting much support.

Another town meeting in Norman the 29th. If all goes well I plan to be there depending on if Yeagles is still in the running or not....."
http://www.indianz.com/board/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=29569&whichpage=2

Yeagley is apparently so nervous at the thought speaking to actual Comanches that he HID OUT from several Comanche women at his only other campaign appearance.

"The Comanche people were right to confront Yeagley outside the Committee House following his (in-a-word) weird nomination for tribal office, reported by several witnesses. It is not surprising that he was seen quickly slinking back inside the building, as the “heat” outside was something Yeagley could not weather. It is good to know that strong Indian people faced with such a toxic buffoon, stood up that day and compelled that merry-andrew to shrink away in cowardess."
http://badeagledotorg.blogspot.com/2007/11/yeagley-is-all-about-handouts-and.html#links

Yeagley later chose to bash these women several times at his white supremacy forum. One of them pointed out that he was being very cowardly in hiding out when all they wanted to do was give him constrcutive criticism. Yeagley also told a series of lies about them. Yet very generously, rather than be angry at Yeagley's attacks, these strong Comanche women found Yeagley to be only worthy of pity.

"beverly isaac said...(in the comments response section)
Hello,
My name is Comanchemoon, I was one of the women he labled vicious.

Fact is these ladies wanted to ask him a few questions. I wanted Sandra Gallegos, MY CHOICE FOR VICE CHAIR OF THE COMANCHE NATION, to meet him. Thats ALL, we did was discuss a few things.

Among one was the fact that his Mother was "NEVER" on the THE COMANCHE BUSINESS COMMITTEE AS HE STATES IN HIS BIO, and now in his campaign. I and my older sister tried to convince him and he accused me of saying his Mother was a liar, I would never do that, never. I just wanted him to get it straight before he went full force into his campaign, but he took offense at our kind constructive critism.

He said on his website that there were "many Comanche women, vicious, and they won't forget, and unfriendly regards etc.", None of that is TRUE.

There was Sandra Gallegos, my sister, my niece, my daughter and I, five Strong involved Comanche Women. He did like the attention he was receiving, although he accused Sandra Gallegos of being dishonest because she did not have a braclet on that showed her not signing in at the General Council Meeting, therefore she should not be able to RUN for office!!!

My sister told him, "she didn't even have to be here to be nominated, she could have been in Tulsa, if she was nominated by someone and didn't want to run, all she had to do was decline. You are nit picking, who told you she never signed in, who is watching her every move, why do you care" he backed off.

He actually knows NOTHING about our Government,...He has to confront the Comanche People sometime, well maybe he doesn't, but I would like to know WHY waste our Election Peoples' time and money even putting his name on the Ballots, of course he is thrilled to see his own name, Finally among the Comanche!

So much more I could say, but he already calls me his enemy, I am not, I just felt sorry for him, not anymore!
Comanchemoon 9:53 PM"
http://www.indianz.com/board/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=29668

Another Comanche woman, Comanacha, said at the same link:

"He finally posted an APOLOGY after years of endlessly claiming and bragging to EVERYONE that his mother was the first woman to serve on the Comanche CBC, she wasn't. She ran and thats it.

He's good at bragging, thats about it...hes good at living in COMANCHE MYTH created by white authors, thats about it too!!!"

An earlier campaign video he posted at Youtube also highlighted his lack of knowledge of Comanche tradition. Yeagley spoke of "Comanche clans." Problem is, the Comanche don't have a clan system.

Yeagley: Protesters Are "Gangsters" "Commies"

2007-11-25T10:39:00.000-06:00

Yeagley's latest "how low can he go" attempt brought nothing but condemnation from ACTUAL Indians and repeatedly showed how ignorant and out of touch he is.

David Yeagley-"AIM (Angry Indian Men) still holds the dominant and destructive image over many Indians today. Casting blame on America's past is still the easiest self-starting motivation for many Indians. They learned to protest in college, and this is still an important part of their lives."

Actually most Native protesters are not in college. Elders usually lead most protests.

"AIM set the example. AIMsters were immoral, ganster like people. Ask anyone who was alive then, and knew the people who involved."

A conservative Indian (an ACTUAL conservative, not a white supremacist who poses as one like Yeagely) named Jim Burnes, had the best answer to that:

"AIM did set the example, but not in the grossly negative way Yeagley implies. The men who founded AIM were street-wise, and in and out of jail for petty crimes. They did not know their nations' cultures, yet they understood that they could not continue in that life. You could find them drinking one day, and then working with the kids the next. The goal of AIM has always been clearly stated. The men and women of AIM acted on those goals and the result was that kids grew up to understand dignity and education was of extreme importance.

AIM also caused serious divisions in the nations, and there was violence linked to them. But I'd rather point to the good they did, and the projects they started, on a bare shoestring.

AIM today is really what they desired way back then: One or two or more Indians working towards the survival of the Indians in the community. No headlines, no photos, just a consesus that a goal will be reached.

That's AIM."

Back to Yeagley's rant:

"A few have learned better, but the damage was done, and the dye was cast."

Obviously Yeagley's degree was not in spelling.

"Yes, a few Comanches were involved, much to my embarrassment. I quickly testify to all, they do not represent the Comanche tribe, nor the sentiments of most Comanches."

Actually MANY Comanches were involved, and Yeagley knows very little about what ACTUAL Comanches think.

That's something we'll all see when Yeagley loses very badly in his run for Comanche Vice President.

"It's that Communist-funded "in your face" style of communication started in the '60's, when a few lost souls among the Indians were grabbed up by the white racial agitators and paid to protest. It's still going on."

Actually, Indian protests were around for half century before the 1960s.

And the only paid protester is Yeagley, who gets his from the Far Right and white supremacists like:

One Nation
John Birch Society
Frontpagemag.com

"As a candidate for Vice-Chairman of the Comanche Nation, I will certainly work to discourage such useless, indeed harmful activities. I do not want young people to see this, nor to think that it is appropriate, much less important."

Wait a minute. Is he calling for SUPPRESSING protests? Do we have another Dick Wilson in the making?

"The time, the place, the propriety--this is all lacking in the Communist style protest. No, we never look for decent people among this kind of protest...to imitate the ways of the anti-American Commies, the Leftists, the socialists, the Marxists, the "progressives," the pink-o's, proclaiming their weakness and helplessness."

Typical Yeagley, trapped in 1950 and seeing Commies everywhere. It must be difficult for him to sleep with that much paranoia racing through him. Does he look in his cupboard and under his bed for the Big Bad Reds every night?

"I look forward to the day when Indians don't have to care what white people think."

Actually, what white people think is ALL Yeagley cares about.

"I envision a time when Indians have our own textbooks, our own schools, run by Indians, with Indian teachers."

He just can't resist showing just how ignorant he is, yet again.

On many reservations, Indians DO have their own teachers, books, and schools run by Indians.

"Okay, so my ideas are a little futuristic."

There's his racism again. To him, white is futuristic, and Indian is primitive and in the past.

"As Vice-chairman of the Comanche Nation, I would advocate the idea that protesting would be allowed only if equal time was spent actually bringing about the goal."

Now he's coming straight out and saying it: He's calling for banning any protests he doesn't agree with.

Yeagley's rant brought nothing but condemnation from Natives:

Kiowakat- Here we go again, to me this guy wants us to assimilate, we have alot of those kind of born again ndns here preaching this kind of hate for ndns that hold on to our beliefs, whatever they may be.....

Lauramae- I don't understand him. If he wants to be white, be white. Why run for VP of the tribe? Hopefully people in the tribe will read this and see it for what it is: self hate.

Johnnie- As for Yuckles? He is simply a joke, a clown. He was too weird to find a niche as a real activist so he carved one out as the resident right wing nut job Tonto.
He too shall pass.

EYY- So why aint NE1 attemted to assassinate this fool yet? hes a "cowboy" aint he? Be easy pickins behind 1 of them lecterns ...

Comanacha- Yeagley's primary news source is Indianz.com.
He just wrote about the Al-Jezzera clip that was discussed here.
What a LOSER IDIOT!

Homegrown- Loser Idiot is right; am still smarting from him calling Enoch Kelly Haney a member of my tribe, everybody knows Kelly Haney is Principal Chief of the Seminole Nation!!!
Yuckles is stoopid.

Wolverine- You have to feel sorry for a person like this.
Beagley's Jealousy and Envy leaks through that entire Article.
500 Indians is A Power that was not only Seen but will be Heard long after one day.
It gave Oklahoma something to think about.
And though I was not there physically our thoughts were.
And No Matter How Insulting and Negative You Are About The Event Beagle Boy, The Only Shame I Feel Is For You Yeagley.
Be Positive Beagley.
I am not Comanche, but dude You Could Not Pay Me to Vote For You If I Were.( Not saying Comanche take money to vote for people either)I say this because I have seen the way Beagle Boy twist the Truth.
What? You think Indians can not Read? NumbnuttWhiteMan.

Johnnie-Yuckles reads here?
OK, DAAAAVVVVEEEEYYYYY, here are some things to think about. At the two events; the butt-kissers in Guthrie and the March, where were the most Indians in attendance?
There is a difference between being marginalized because you are right and it will take a while for people to come around. And choosing to marginalize yourself from your people because you are a right wing nut job.
And, just how many names do you post under on your own website? Is it to make yourself look like you have supporters or simply because you have multiple personalities and can't figure out what you are from one day to the next?
Finally, when I posted on your Baggy Beagle website a few months ago, you hardly challenged anything I wrote mostly because for all your academic credentials you are not an intellect. Not because I am smarter by any stretch, but as Jim Burnes says, a lot of this is common sense and truth. And when you have an agenda, furthering your own ego as a token Indian, then you are easily exposed and a major target for pointed and unanswerable criticism.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Dr. Yuckles.

Danny Moon- It just isn't that much of a stretch for me to think that there are some right-wingers funding him. Don't they always like to have their token Indian, their Clarence Thomas? And then wouldn't they want to make sure they're getting their money's worth?
His accusation that the Centennial protesters were paid, doesn't that indicate his state of mind, that everything is up for grabs to the highest bidder? Even though he's the only one that's sold his soul, he still thinks that how it is for everybody?
http://www.indianz.com/board/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=29569&whichpage=1

Yeagley Compares American Indians to Monkeys

2007-10-17T15:03:00.001-06:00

Yeagley — “Chimpanzees were vicious, male-dominated, practically rapists, and all too willing to reap the reproductive benefits of dominance... Yes, [Jane] Goodall's work contained the requisite denigration of humanity--via the exaltation of the animal... This work pertains to the American Indian, and his way of life. It is abundantly clear that he was the "blood-thirsty," heartless savage everyone always thought he was” (19-14-07).

Yeagley is a "Brainwashed Monkey," "Fool" Who "Disrespects Murdered Children," Suicidal

2007-10-14T11:44:00.000-06:00

Yeagley's latest racist rant about Columbus drew scathing criticism from Natives from a number of tribes:

http://www.indianz.com/board/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28853

Arawakmix:
"This man is just feet kissing the Americans, he just do whatever makes them happy, he is just a hypocrite."

Wanderingnative:
"A perfect example of someone who...grew up white and not Indian at all."

One Cherokee law professor wondered if Yeagley is filled with self-hatred and suicidal.

Steve Russell:
"He acts like he's ashamed of being Indian...I guess if he has to play white or kill himself...life is better than death, because his head might come out of his azz at some point and that sure would embarass his white handlers."

Multiplied by twilights:
"David's a brainwashed monkey.
Honestly, his twisted ideology and closed minded perceptions makes me physically ill when I read his diatribes.
On the real, "Give me the aspirations of Columbus. Give me the world to explore! That feels a lot better." Right, because it turned out so awesome for native people ennit! Friggin dumbass.
"They offer instead an attitude of perpetual complaint, protest, and depression. They degrade reality." So sayeth the man that disrespects murdered children.
F*ck yeagles."

Mofo-D:
"Has anyone ever jumped his ass? I mean physically tore him up? Im a firm believer in the old "beatdown" if everything else fails. Leave him in a back alley... breathing enough so he can remember why this happened to him."

Comanacha:
"A girl could whip is skinny little ass."

Arawakmix:
"Yeagley will never be accepted as a true white nationalist, he must be 100%white to be accepted, perhaps they will use him until they won't need him more and then kick him back."

There were some nice words of praise for the author of www.badeagle.org, Brent Michael Davids.

WanderingNative:
"Yeagles fancies himself something of a musician and composer whereas Brent is the real deal.
He makes a good "houseboy" and token for them so that they can point to him as an example of a "good indian" though."

Probably the one comment that would hurt Yeagley the most was comparing him to Ward Churchill.

Lauramae:
"What is this phenomenon called anyway? I see it frequently. Someone claims to be Indian in order to curry favor with either the right, or rednecks and then they slam Indians.
Some go on Bill O'Reilly and claim that they are the persecuted "real" Indians and play on the irony of refusing to support Churchill. Both have the same amount of actual Indian blood.
Yeagley, who also seems to have found a place with David Horowitz just as our old "chiricahua apache" did in his supposed battle with the left over Churchill.
Yeagley in his "commanche" support for colombus day gives pundits like Horowitz hope.
I also see it on a smaller local scale too. Someone lays weak claim to heritage and then talks ignorantly about treaties, law, etc."

Another Comanche confirmed Yeagley is widely known to be an imposter POSING as Comanche.

Kerchee:
"Yoogles is a fool and all Comanches know it. He has a lot of nerve going after Rudy Youngblood. Yoogles is not blood-comanche. He is pretty much ignored by the people."

John Martin Confesses to Felonies, Yet Again (And Other Things)

2007-09-30T16:34:00.000-06:00

Yeagley's fanatic and violent racist supporter John Martin seems to be seeing how many times he can win the Darwin Award. That he hasn't killed himself with his own stupidity continues to amaze everyone.

Martin has just made two more amazing confessions:

Martin admitted to committing two federal felonies in an email to a longtime online friend of mine, Rob Schmidt of Blue Corn Comics.

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From tallsoldier77@hotmail.com (One of several email accounts of Martin's)-

I have the tape of the entire conversation.
[A tape I sent to his employer of the death threats he made against my parents.]

He sent a copy of the tape to my place of business, my boss just laughed, actually we both got a kick out of it.

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Leave it to John Martin to be stupid enough to admit to two federal felonies, Mail Theft and Mail Tampering.

Each of these crimes carries a minimum of a year in federal prison. And federal time is not like state time. No parole.

Thanks John! I'm certain the FBI appreciates your full confession. They have it now, along with the Postal Inspector.

Yet while that was the stupidest thing Martin has done yet, it's still not the funniest. Could you believe that Martin actually hints strongly that he knows David Yeagley is gay?

Martin also gives several hints that Martin himself might be, and that the two of them might be...? Well, "Not that there's anything wrong with that." Just with Yeagley's hypocrisy about it.

Yes, Martin actually did that not once, but twice. Martin left this comment at www.davidyeagley.org, under the name "Jerry." Apparently it didn't occur to him that it's easy to trace the ISP of people who leave comments.

For the article "Is Yeagley Finally Out of the Closest?" Martin left the comment:

"Hahaha! Like no Indians are gay!"

And in one of the letters to Rob Schmidt, Martin made this interesting comment:

"I will be in Lawton OK, on the last weekend of Sept."

When Martin reads a post on this site describing an ad written mocking Yeagley looking for gay sex from his new home in Lawton, Oklahoma, what is his first reaction?

He tells a friend of mine he's rushing for a get together with Yeagley in Lawton.

Martin apparently likes giving hints he's "on the downlow" with none other than Yeagley himself. There's no other conclusion to draw.

Come out of the closet, John Martin. Both you and Yeagley will be happier if you just admit it.

No doubt prison would be just the place for you.

Is Yeagley Finally Out of the Closet?

2007-08-31T06:26:00.000-06:00

Has Yeagley decided to finally admit to being what just about everyone who has heard of him already knows that he is, a self hating gay white man in denial? I was just sent this by someone who claims to be a gay male that Yeagley has emailed looking to get together for gay sex.

I'm fairly sure this ad below was a hoax or a joke played on Yeagley. But either way, this gay personal posted by Yeagley or at his expense certainly sounds very much like him, perhaps too much.

The most hilarious details, outside of mimicking his "super patriot" act and racist comments, is that Yeagley is admitting to being white and no longer posing as being Native.

Perhaps, now that he's possibly "outed," Yeagley will be less the cantakerous hateful racist bigoted crank and crackpot that he's always been before. Or not. But one can hope.

And it's a funny thought to see Yeagley jumping in to support gay mariage.

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From GayFriendFinder.com

DavidYeagley
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Looking For: Men for a friend, casual dating, a serious relationship or marriage

Profile for DavidYeagley
I'm out to save the world from all the liberals, Commies, and perverts, and I need another hot white guy by my side, and I need to be down beneath him, if you know what I mean. No darkies!
My Ideal Person:
Absolutely no darkies! Just other white hot American Super Patriots like me.
DavidYeagley's Information:

Gender: Man
Birthdate: January 1, 1952
(55 years old)
Lives in: Lawton, Oklahoma
Height: 5 ft 0 in / 152-153 cm
Body Type: Slim/Petite
Smoking: I'm a non-smoker
Drinking: I don't drink at all
Race: Caucasian
Speaks: English
Education: PhD/Post doctorate
Occupation: American Super Patriot
Religion: Protestant

Yeagley The Social Darwinist White Supremacist and His Ignorance of Science

2007-08-22T02:16:00.000-06:00

A recent exchange in the comments of one of his more ludicrous columns (are there any other kind?) had most readers questioning not only Yeagley's usual racism and promotion of white supremacy, but his picking and choosing bits "science" (actually long ago discredited pseudo science) to back up his claims.

Not only did they take him to task for his ignorance of science, yet more people were questioning his claim to be Indian, pointing out his incredible ignorance of Comanche spiritual traditions and culture.

One even amusingly pointed to one of the worst kept secrets in Indian Country, Yeagley being a self hating gay man in denial.

Quotes taken from a post over at Brent Michael David's www.badeagle.org and www.badeagle.net.

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Yeagley-"...the Darwin theory of evolution is so utterly unscientific and disproved at this point it is mentioned only as an example of the bias and prejudice of science as an enterprise” (8-12-07).

Ray — “Why can't you get yourself to relinquish your adoration for the social aspects of Darwinian theory. Time and time again, you do just what the nineteenth century evolutionists did, and classify human cultures and races on a grading scale from ‘lowest civilized’ to ‘highest civilized,’ according to Western European/pseudo Christian standards. You fit right in with the racialists/evolutionists of the late-ninteenth/early twentieth century sciences... Perhaps it's a case of good old fashioned cognitive dissonance, no?” (8-12-07).

Rafael — “Superiority? What sort of inferiority complex is tormenting you, Dr. Yeagley? ...By your own dogma, different races are only able to interbreed - by the intelligent design of a ‘superior’ being! ...You have a dangerously inadequate understanding of science. ID could not even present any evidence to hold up in a courtroom, read the transcript! Scientific theories only give way when more effective ones are presented - with evidence. They must demonstrate more effective and efficient methods of investigation resulting in consistently more accurate predictions which can be verified independently... ID has never proven, nor predicted anything. It only proposes that we abandon the pursuit of scientific knowledge before it can further humiliate religious leaders. To discard science simply because it has not yet answered every question in barely a century of research, demonstrates the abysmal ignorance and childish impetuosity of prima donna celebrities incapable of dealing with the inconvenience and complexity in life...” (8-12-07).

Tom — “This column is another Sunday sermon, an attempt at proselytizing disguised as intellectual discourse. It's trying to market belief in Christianity in less than biased-sounding terms... The use of a quasi-intellectual discussion of Darwinism is a smoke screen to preach anti-intellectualism and Creationism. If this is an Indian blog, then this is a sermon directed toward Indians. And if this is directed toward Indians then we are being told to drop our pagan religions and become Christians. It's as though we were missionary or boarding school Indians who needed to be ‘saved’...” (8-12-07).

Rafael — “And neither will I grant you the authority to redefine the common meaning of words for your own rhetorical sophistry, Dr. Yeagley. Science does indeed use a canon of specific method, which the proponents of ID have shown they are utterly incapable of employing: Science...only shares the best understanding of what truth it discovers with the common people, arrived at by the most informed minds using the most accurate tools. There is nothing so ridiculously pompous and solipsistic as claiming possession of an ‘ultimate truth’ that is incapable of change. It has proven very effective in amassing great worldly empires by religious leaders bilking sweet old ladies though...” (8-13-07).

Tom — “You wrote: ‘Religion has nothing to do with being Comanche. Other tribes, yes. But not the old way of the Comanche. That's what I feel, anyway.’ I thought I'd check the veracity of your statement by using the search engine method of truth verification you described in your August 10, 2007 posting (‘Over a million entries on "Canadian+Mohawk" on Yahoo.’). Sorry, but I used Google: ‘Godless + comanches’ returned 899 web pages I wasn't sure if this proved or disproved anything so I tried: ‘Canadian + comanches’ which returned 1,450,000 hits. Then, just for fun I tried: ‘Conservative + christian + white + mexican + christian + comanche + oklahoma city’ and I got 18,100 pages! But guess who's name appeared in the top three spots? So if I added ‘gay’... :)” (8-13-07).

Tom — “You wrote: ‘...(I)t is my contention that what made the Comanche absolutely unique was the absense(sic) of organized thought or religion, or any abstraction that was outside the most pragmatic, most practical use in daily living.’ ...and this is based on... ‘When we first were noticed by others, anyway, we apparently had no visible religion or politics among us.’ There' s a story from the Pima. One day the white man rode up to an Indian and said, ‘Hi, what do you people call yourselves?’ The puzzled Indian, who had no idea what they were saying, said, ‘Pimache?’, which translates as ‘I don't know.’ From that day, the white man called these Indians the Pima. Relying on anecdotal observations from people who can't communicate with people they observe equals little to nothing. ‘If we did live in the southern Rockies for untold amount of time, when we came out, we were stripped of all superfluity. This was man, naked, in the world. A tabula rasa. A reversion, a recovery of pure human experience and nature. No frills, only thrills.’ Ah, it's just so Shangri-la, romantic and Adam and Eve-like! And this is based on... ‘Our secrets are implied in our language. I'm learning more about this. It tends to confirm my intuitions in this matter...’ Fluent in Comanche are we? That's great! But if not, well, that's ‘the absense [sic!] of organized thought.’ But I guess that would make you a traditionalist, as well” (8-13-07).

Rafael — “What unmitigated hubris to presume that YOUR intuition is ‘superior’ to the proven conclusions of the most qualified minds using factual evidence. Lucy lived before racial differentiation emerged in the species. Can you still admit to accepting even micro-evolution now? It is the content of your very own mitochondrial DNA, living inside you right now, that binds you to a common ancestral ‘negress,’ as you would put it. However distasteful that may be to your intuition, it is irrefutable. It is based on proven principles of medical microbiology, not fossil records. Perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us by explaining the ‘superior intelligence’ of placing hind legs in whales and finger bones in dolphins. Darwin was hardly the flawless patriarch writing in stone that creationists require. The basic principles he proposed have merely been repeatedly confirmed by branches of science which did not even exist in his day. Isaac Newton devoted far more time and effort pursuing alchemy than mathematics and physics. Should we demonize him as well? When irregularities were found in the orbits of the outer planets, it did not ‘prove’ that the biblical geocentric universe was superior... Evolution is merely the mechanism which best describes the evidence. Creationists have failed to propose any mechanism other than magic and are perpetrating mass child abuse in our education system” (8-13-07).

Rafael — “My apologies, Dr. Yeagley, for assuming you were a serious, sincere person. Your abominable understanding of even the basics of science is really unforgivable for someone of your alleged education. What possible background or experience do you claim in any science, with " ", or without " "? ...There is a fundamental, qualitative difference in the definition of the specific term ‘scientific theory,’ used in the formal practice of the profession, and the common misuse of the word ‘theory,’ in popular culture to impart the illusion of substance to what is otherwise nothing more than fantastical, unsubstantiated conjecture. Hypothesis is a more appropriate term, since it only based on a rudimentary observation and has yet to be tested and confirmed by consistent results. Blurring the two only serves to poison the public debate. There is indeed a time machine, Dr. Yeagley. Every time you look up at the sky, you are seeing the past. The fundamental laws of physics still apply in the most remote recesses of space and time, so far detected. Physical materials do indeed contain footprints that betray where and when they have been and we can indeed measure it as remote witnesses. It does not require your personal comprehension or consent for carbon atoms to divulge their dating secrets. You neglected the most important kind of science -- applied science. Principles confirmed by repeated results in the laboratory are repeatedly thrown against the real world under all possible conditions and still keep on ticking. It is true that any scientific principle may be refuted, but only through a more rigorous application of science... You should sharpen you powers of observation” (8-13-07).

Rafael — All you offer is your personal fantasy and illusions. How do you expect to find agreement on that? If the past cannot be recreated in its entirety, then any other means of accessing it are meaningless? How ignorant is that? You have thrown down the gauntlet for christians: either accept Genesis completely, or not at all. You are either with us, or against us. Gee, where have I heard one that before? Do you suppose there might have been a good reason for abandoning the doctrine of Papal infallibility? It amuses me that you can't see that you have so much in common with the radical Islamists produced by the madrassas. Blind faith, taught through fear of eternal damnation for challenging the veracity of proclamations which cannot be verified until after death...” (8-14-07).

Tom — “I'm looking for the Indian in this supposed Indian web site. It's simply not enough to claim one's site is ‘Indian’. Being some blood percentage doesn't make one's words Indian. And since you're playing this Indian card on a global stage you owe it to Indians to consistently present recognizable Indian ideology. This particular piece highlights Darwin, creationism and Genesis. While this may be a heady combination at the Young America's Foundation picnic, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans at a pow wow or even an Indian Methodist church. Have you ever wondered why those invitations to speak at Indian functions aren't on your answering machine? Better luck with future columns...” (8-14-07).

John Martin ADMITS to Issuing Threats, and Spouts Yet More Racist Threats

2007-08-20T02:24:00.000-06:00

I'm seriously thinking of nominating John Martin for a Darwin Award. How he's survived this long without winding up dead from his own stupidity is a mystery modern science would be hard pressed to solve.

From his new (paid?) post at the pseudo-Heyoka New Age tabloid run by English Nuager and fellow racist John Lekay (or Lackey, as he's increasingly being referred to), Martin seems to be in a race to see how much he can embarass himself, Lackey, and Yeagley. Not a day goes by without him sending racist and anti Semitic hate mail from the tabloid's address.

The tatters of Lacky's credibility disappeared long ago. All of the twenty year old faux-leftist articles can't hide his irrelevance. Seemingly no one without a Nuage or racist agenda to peddle has anything to do with him.

Martin now openly admits he issued threats against myself and my elderly parents.

Martin has also issued yet another series of death threats and racist and bigoted rants, targeting a man for being Jewish.

"Hawk...you had better tread lightly there "Hawk" before you get
hurt.
I will track you down like the wild pig you really are.

FUCK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!"

And a second death threat.

"Do you feel threatened? Do you want to be put down, like a
rabid dog?
LOL."

Lekay, Martin, and Yeagley FAIL to Censor Their Critics

2007-08-08T01:25:00.000-06:00

NAFPS was only mildly inconvenienced by Lekay and Martin's campaign of lies. We're back after only a few days offline.

And during that time, so many Native activists and other truly good people rallied behind us and stood up to Nuage racist crackpot John Lekay, violent racist posing as a Gulf War veteran John Martin, and white supremacist David Yeagley.

Just a sampling of the support we got. There were also nearly a dozen people who sent words of support and offers to help but ask to remain anonymous, fearing threats from Lekay, Martin, and Yeagley. They know all too well how dangerous these racist loons are.

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From: phil cash cash
Date: August 7, 2007 1:18:27 PM CDT
To: NetRez-L
Subject: [NetRez-L] Native Cultural Activists Voices Silenced Again (fwd link)

Native Cultural Activists Voices Silenced Again

by Angry NDN
Monday Aug 6th, 2007 9:45 PM

A Native American Consumer Advocacy group, New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans, has been repeatedly denied free speech rights on the internet by the very frauds that they expose!
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/08/06/18439218.php

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From the Yahoo group Powwow Circle:

Thanks for letting us know this has happened. They are afraid of what we can do to their grubbing of their frogskins. I hope soon this will soon be taken care of...i will write in.
David

I will pass this around al....this is ridiculous..why dont these cockroaches crawl back into the woodwork and leave us alone eh? i will post this far and wide..and write to your host...
Kris

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From the Native student activist group in Tucson, Do No Harm:

My name is Tim Star. I'm Lakota and I've been interested in what NAFPS and this group does for quite a while, but I've never bothered to post. It really burns me that such an obvious faker can shut NDNs down.

Heyoka is a pretty slick Lefty publication that features several well known New Age Frauds. In my opinion, the look and style give it away as a pub by waanaabiiz for waanaabiiz.

It's got all the markers of a typical twinkie publication. There's appropriation of the Didgeridoo and lots of stuff about "Black Elk's vision" (well known twinkie marker) and he seems to think that if he throws in Noam Chomsky and a few pro environmentalist pieces with old time hippy favorites thrown in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, John Lennon etc to appeal to the boomers and make up for his shameful promotion of some very well known frauds.

Naturally, everything focuses on white guilt for the sins of the fathers and there's no current interviews with LEGITIMATE tribal leaders or information about OUR ISSUES - tribal sovereignty or current environmental/tribal struggles. (All the environmental issues are at least 20 years old except for the NYT articles that he
posted directly to give his twinkie rag more credibility)

How the frauds love the past!

It really offends me how Natives are portrayed as subservient storytellers and spiritual guides who pine for the lost past and just want to help save the whiteman (from his own greed and self- destruction)

It's definitely intended for an upper middle class WHITE college educated audience. This is not a ForUsByUs kind of pub.

If the "featured Natives" weren't so offensive they'd be comical.

Red Elk is featured once in volume. He gets a loon of the month award for his hilarious work on google video:
(don't watch while drinking liquids)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8006120857467496974&q=red+elk&total=46&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=
search&plindex=0

RED ELK ON LIZARD PEOPLE AND EARTH CHANGES (Claims to be Cherokee,
Blackfeet and Shoshonee)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2279581220015470139&q=red+elk&total=46&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=
search&plindex=1

RED ELK: The search for Big Foot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgXHhHDpJv8

Here's Dan Asher doing something ridiculous with a drum by the fire
http://heyokamagazine.com/HEYOKA.1.FOTOS.DAN%20ASHER.htm

Here's Jim Medicine Tree (alleged Cherokee Elder caretaker of the United Nations Turtle Pipe and the 200-year old Black Thunderbird Pipe, to help heal our drought-stricken land.)doing his twinkie thing in Australia.
http://www.heyokamagazine.com/HEYOKA.8.JimTree.Australia.htm

And Mala Spotted Eagle Pope who runs the Nanish Shontie scam in Washington is featured in the rag.

I wonder how much money he gets from advertising these guys?

I ran across one page is just plain offensive, I submitted it to blue
corn comics wall of shame http://www.heyokamagazine.com/HEYOKA.7.PANO.NA.WestBank.htm

the caption reads:
"Drawing a comparison between indigenous Native Americans whos land was stolen by European colonist-settlers, and indigenous Palestinians whose land continues to be stolen by European colonist-settlers, peace activists held a demonstration at a West Bank roadblock, dressed up as Native Americans in bid to get their message through to
visiting US secretary of state."
(email robschmidt@ to enter)

Then there's this bizarre interview with someone who is only identified as "Robin a respected Native Grandmother"

I mean, who talks like that? Real NDNs just don't talk like that.
http://www.heyokamagazine.com/HEYOKA.8.Robin.htm

The woman just spews out the usual specious rhetoric of the twinkie apologists and seems to be unable to grasp the concept that the FRAUDS bear the burden of proof and that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. She attempts to create a side issue by claiming that NAFPS members are not enrolled. She mostly just repeats the standard twinkie arguments in a rambling incoherent fashion. (Big surprise!)

There is apparently no standard of proof that would satisfy her and she tries to use the term "cut and paste" to disparage the research of the group. I don't know what this is about?

This guy is on some type of crusade to get Al back for exposing all his twinkie friends.

Check this out:
> > > http://www.heyokamagazine.com/HEYOKA.8.IsALCarrolAFraud.htm
> > > http://heyokamagazine.com/HEYOKA.9.JayeLaValle.Letter.htm

If these two pages don't expose LeKay as a nutcase I just don't know what will!

There's no proof anywhere in the rag that Red Elk, Mala Spotted Eagle Pope, "respected Lakota grandmother Robin, Dan Asher, William Under Baggage, John Martin, David "Sitting Owl" Littlejohn and Jim MedicineTree or that any of the other hang around the forts in the magazine are enrolled, yet LeKay makes Al's tribal ties an issue.

My question is Who is John Martin and why is he wearing sunglasses?

I'm tribally enrolled Lakota and I've never heard of these people!

The nuts just keep crawling out of the wood work and declaring themselves pipe carriers init?

It seems like the Crystal Skull people who started out in Washington State are all associated with this guy. Real Lakota are having a lot of trouble with this particular group of frauds. The stuff the peddle is just bizarre and no real NDN would ever mistake them for legit They all think they're pipe carriers

Tim

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From a poster at Indianz

Melody

Looking forward to your site being back online. I know switching hosts does not happen overnight and that it is a real pain in the butt. Best of luck.

Your site was a real beacon of hope when a family member got caught up in one of these new age "Native American" scams. I was able to expose the lies, false background and greed of the leader of the group. In the end all my relation lost was a lot of money but she was on her way to ruining her family.

I am sorry to hear about the constant attack you are under. It pains me to read posts like the one above, people obviously do not understand the element you are confronting. It does not surprise me though. When I was trying to question the leader of the group I dealt with I got a flood of verbal attacks from her and her followers and all I was doing was asking questions. These folks are not just exploitive and mercenary they are dangerous and I am grateful to people like you who work so hard to shine the light on them.

Keep up the good work.
Melody

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Earthw7

I do support Annika and her documentry. She is a nice woman who is standing up
so that we can have a voice aganist these new agers and wannabe that attack our culture.

We need to keep this list so we as tribal people can add to it. i usually stay out of these things unless i post on here or another site.

Keep the site and the list I can add more.

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Johnnie

I posted over there for a while trying to get information and the clique from Bad Eagle was giving him a hard time. John LeKay, the guy who is the editor of Heyoka Magazine, filed a formal complaint with the web server and the site was put on notice. LeKay, an interesting character to say the least, made it his mission to close down the NAFPS site.

Just goes to show the juice a white man has to stop Indians from discussing white people playing Indians.

Go figure on that one.

Johnnie

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Piya

Not very often I speak up on something, on any boards. Except when it pisses me off, and when I get the time.

What I would like to know is why a white guy, Le Kay, is having a big say about Nnd's, and why some are being brainwashed by him. We dont need him.( Or is he giving out blankets?)

Yeagley's Defense of Racist "Indian" Sports Mascots Widely Condemned

2007-07-24T08:37:00.000-06:00

A visit Yeagley made a few months ago to defend the notorious "Chief Illini" mascot failed miserably. The main reason was poor planning on his part. Yeagley only showed after the decision had already been made to drop the stereotyped "chief" as mascot.

Yeagley also met with scathing local reaction, especially in the school's paper. Only two people defended Yeagley's stance, both of them open racists. One of them was a white supremacist defending the superiority of whites, and the other only dropped in to make a racist comment against Natives. Yeagley spent much of several weeks revisiting the site, vainly trying to defend his racism and his impersonation of a Comanche.

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http://www.dailyillini.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticleComments&ustory_id=28e8cd73-4a0c-4e22-979b-cdd4e7562a21#03718e96-dcb0-494e-8d7f-4b687fcf79e7

Johnny FactChecker
posted 3/12/07 @ 2:45 AM EST
Here's a quote from the web-site of the "source" of this story, Mr. Yeagley:

"There will never be a black president. There will never be a brown president. There won't even be a woman president. Nor should there be. The White House of the United States is forever white male. And rightfully so." http://badeagle.com/journal/

Erika, I hope you're happy with the story you decided to run. You've given voice to a person who thinks your piece on him is inherently worth less than my comment about it, simply because you're a woman and I'm a white man. Well done, I hope you're proud of your work.

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This brought a defense of Yeagley by an unapologetic white supremacist.

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RegularGuy
To Johnny FactChecker:

It was the white man who is largely responsible for the society we live in today. The man is giving white males their props...

And don't point out just the negatives - we're tired of apologizing for them, because, if you balance them out against the positives, white males have been key at producing a society that is unparalleled in human history...The majority of the economic, social, technical, etc., developments have come from white males.

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That defense failed to convince anyone, and only brought more criticism.

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You paint a pretty picture, but you're leaving out a few negatives in this modern-day society that you claim white males have created: ignorance, greed, vanity and violence. Don't be so quick to say that the world is great because the white man made it so. No race, creed or gender is perfect and it's both naive and arrogant to claim that we should put the white man on a pedastal when he has created an equal number of positive and negative things.

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Jimmy Yellowhorse
OUOTE: "Richard Poe, colleague of Yeagley as well as New York Times best-selling author, said Yeagley is one of the strongest, influential voices on the American Indian mascot debate."

WTF - that is bunch of crap and both Poe and Yeagley know it. In the Native Community Yeagley is an idiot - and he and [everyone else] knows it.

He knows the dance was insulting which is why he has not been welcomed at many events in parts of the Native Community.

Don't trust this man at all - he is what many Natives call an "APPLE."

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David Velarde Jr.
posted 3/12/07 @ 11:33 AM EST

David A Yeagley is a bozo and if the term enemy scout comes to mind then it's apt. Native Americans throughout our history have had their leaders killed by their own people and Mr. Yeagley fits that description. Their is nothing noble about the Chief's stupid, nonsensical dance during halftime performances.

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Donna Delgadillo
posted 3/12/07 @ 1:36 PM EST

David Yeagley was mistakenly enrolled as a Comanche because his STEP-MOTHER is a Comanche. He is not really native.
Donna

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glenda deer
posted 3/12/07 @ 1:20 PM EST

More ramblings from idiot David Yeagley...? If someone punched ya in the nose, and it bled. You wouldn't be Indian anymore, Yeagley...Just a thought...

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Itazurakko!
posted 3/12/07 @ 2:17 PM EST

Wow.

All I can say is, do a google search on this guy. Make sure you include "groups," to get the various USENET archive content.

He's quite a character, to put it mildly.

Thanks to the DI for providing me with some entertainment this morning though, the search is proving... fascinating.

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Lisa Boucher
posted 3/12/07 @ 4:31 PM EST

Wow, you guys gave this doofus press? Have you even looked at his site?

I can't wait to see whose lunatic ramblings you'll print next. Maybe the Time Cube guy should get wider coverage!

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Locklear
posted 3/13/07 @ 9:51 AM EST

This guys is not even really Native. He is a total idiot and knows nothing about Native American Dance and Culture. As others have said - this guys is nuts and not to be trusted at all.

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Redline
posted 3/16/07 @ 6:29 PM EST

You are a fake and a fraud and you know it! Time will prove it to the rest of the world, real Indians already know you for what you are.

You will do anything to kiss the back sides of whites to further your warped view of the way things should be.

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Censored Truth
posted 3/16/07 @ 2:25 PM EST

My goodness! I can't believe the Daily Illini has sunken to scrapping the bottom of the barrel by giving voice to David Yeagley. He is a self-hating individual who just happens to be enrolled in the Comanche Nation. The only people within Indian country who give this man any vindication are those people who are just as self-hating towards their Indian identity. Trust me, there are Comanches who wish they didn't have to claim him as being part of their tribe. He was on Bill O'Reilly and he referred to Blacks, Mexicans, and Indians as "Darkies."

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Pepper
posted 3/16/07 @ 11:09 PM EST

David Yeagley is a known racist in the American Indian community and beyond. You should have read his website and his numerous racist postings that he has on his forum (and elsewhere) before using him for a story. He has this weird obsession/fear with black people (or darkies as he likes to call them), denigrates his own race and just absolutely adores anything done by white people (including slavery and the Holocaust.) The press likes him because he's Indian and goes against what Indians usually say but the truth is even his own Comanche tribe barely tolerates him. Using him as the sole source does nothing but damage your argument. I still can't believe that you used him as a source.

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Jdawg
posted 3/27/07 @ 9:18 PM EST

This guy is a loon. No one takes the guy seriously in the Native community. He only gets press by those publications that are far away from Oklahoma and know nothing of his radical views yet.

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This was followed by yet another racist coming forward to defend Yeagley.

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RegularGuy
posted 3/27/07 @ 9:57 PM EST

...I guess they want Native Americans who disagree with them to stay on the reservation and learn to deal blackjack.

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"Regular Guy's" racism did nothing to stop the storm of criticism against Yeagley.

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JCL
posted 3/29/07 @ 6:35 PM EST

DAVID YEAGLEY IS BARELY AMERICAN INDIAN. HE IS 1/16 -- THAT IS ALL! IF THE MAN CUT HIS FINGER HE'D BLEED OUT ALL OF HIS INDIAN BLOOD.

LOVE THE LA TIMES ARTICLE. WONDER IF YEAGLEY GETS JUST WHAT A JOKE HE MADE OF HIMSELF. I CHECKED OUT HIS WEBSITE TOO. CONFIRMED. HE IS CERTIFIABLY PSYCHO.

THE MAN IS A FARCE, A FAKE AND A JOKE AMONG REAL INDIANS. NO, REALLY HE IS.

HE CLAIMS HE IS A DOCTOR. HE IS A DOCTOR ALRIGHT, OF LIES, DECEPTION AND MANIPULATION.

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redanddelicious
posted 3/30/07 @ 10:04 AM EST

How did this farce of a person become so well quoted and listened to? Certainly no one in indian country gives him the time of day...What would David Yeagley know about anything tradtional when he wasn't raised red? Just because someone has a "drop" of ambrosia doesn't mean they're psychedelic. It just means David Yeagley is a psycho, and EVERY word out of his mouth should be questioned. He's doing more to damage his own people than we do to ourselves. And we're 12K strong! Get a clue, David. Numunu could give a shit about you - you latecoming red apple! Hey David: nah thine ah moo thine...comanche enough to understand?

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StopYourWhiningWhiteImposterYeagley
posted 4/05/07 @ 2:37 PM EST

Everyone knows you're a fraud and a racist white playing Indian. If it's libel why haven't you sued? Because a lawsuit would expose you!

American Indian Artists Reject Yeagley, Say He Is a Mediocre Musician, a "Delusional...Media Whore"

2007-07-23T12:12:00.000-06:00

Is it any wonder Yeagley lashes out at American Indians to blame them for his own life filled with failure? As a child, Yeagley was hailed by some as a prodigy. As an adult he spent his time being a lifelong student with no accomplishments.

Yeagley is now a senior citizen witn little in his life, no family, few friends or supporters outside of white supremacists and a tiny number of apple Indians, repeatedly rejected by the Comanche he falsely alleges to be his people. Even his musical career is virtually nonexistent. Conspicuously, very few of his music works were ever recorded until AFTER far right reactionaries like Horowitz turned him into a professional token.

And now it's become obvious why his career never went anywhere in over four decades. More than a few of the more successful and talented Native musicians say his work was, quite simply, not very good. Many want nothing to do with him.

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From Brent Michael Davids of www.badeagle.org.
[I've rearranged the article slightly, putting Davids's critique of Yeagley's music at the end.]

Native Museums Are Not Fooled

Yeagley is basically a media whore for ill purposes, taking a highly questionable and unverified claim to a drop of Comanche blood, along with a degree in playing the piano, to the gross heights of white supremacy and misogyny. His unearned and rather egocentric demeanor is Yeagley’s way of clawing out some attention for himself and crackbrained agenda. His musical claims have been repeatedly proven as lackluster and inflated, serving moreover to pad his own media resume and continue his lunacy.

But, in retrospect, Yeagley is starting at least in part to be recognized for what he is, delusional. He was uninvited to the National Museum of the American Indian because of his derogatory mischaracterizations of the Museum, and the negative associations with his anti-Indian stance; The NMAI promised to never have him back. Even the two American Indian violinists invited by Yeagley to perform his work at his sole NMAI appearance, were justifiably disinterested.

And now, it appears that the Comanche Nation’s new Museum has followed the lead of the NMAI, declining to even consider Yeagley’s participation there. When asked if Yeagley would be associated with the Museum’s opening activities, the response from the Museum was “No, absolutely not,” citing the need to disassociate the Museum with the negativity generated by Yeagley’s activities. Bravo to the Comanche Nation Museum.

So it seems that Native People are not so easily fooled by Yeagley’s mental contortions, though sometimes amusing to watch. Yeagley’s puffed up image in the media, his self-aggrandizing, is not being gullibly taken in by as many folks as in previous years. That is a hopeful note for all of the Web Sites who regularly correct Yeagley’s misinformation and half-truths, including this one. Yeagley’s abuse of his piano degree as a means to further his deluded agenda, is as mediocre as his “new” harmonic theory, and we can be thankful that more people are starting to realize it.

As for his music, it seems to me that perhaps Yeagley has spent hours pouring over his "new" theory of harmonic development, but in doing so has mostly sidestepped the development of other important aspects such as rhythm and orchestration. But I’m not Yeagley’s teacher, and am not intending to give Yeagley advice with my comments. Quite simply, it is of interest to note the non-Indian approaches Yeagley has utilized in forming his compositions, as well as some apparent weaknesses of the craft involved. He may have received a D.M.A. for playing the piano, but he is a student of composing with much to learn.

Music and meaning are subjective and communal activities, so those who see greater value in Yeagley’s work have simply to claim a diverse world where differing opinions coexist (you know, a "cosmopolitan" world), and they are justified in claiming so. As for my own opinion of Yeagley’s efforts, I see some room for improvement and further study. Obviously, there is also much room for Yeagley to improve regarding all things American Indian as well. It is unfortunate for legitimate musicians and American Indian musicians in particular, that Yeagley's piano degree continues to be utilized as a media ploy for his promotion of white supremacy and misogyny.

[Here is Davids' review of Yeagley's latest work.]

I did give a listen to his recent You Tube upload. My initial reaction is that it’s not-too-bad compositionally, but also not-too-great.

His harmonic language (his self-attributed-but-never-described harmonic theory) seems adequate, and an acceptable effort. If he were my student, he’d get an acceptable grade on that aspect of his composition. There are a couple weaknesses though, too, that could be improved upon: rhythm and orchestration.

Rhythmically, the piece is rather middle-of-the-road in quality, seemingly reliant on a series of steady pulses of regular beats with little variation. One can listen to the beginning for awhile and by reaching the end will have heard almost no change in rhythm throughout. If you, either as a musician or non-musician, reach the final notes of this music finding yourself rather uninspired, generally speaking, one of the reasons for this effect is the rhythmic monotony.

A similar critique of the orchestration is warranted, as the ranges of the instruments are never utilized to full capacity in the composition. The higher range of the upper instruments and the lower range of the bass instruments remain largely unused, rendering a middle-of-the-road outcome. Great music has satisfying ups and downs, like a musical roller coaster ride generating excitement for an audience. Yeagley's orchestration seems excessively committed to the mid-range and remains a lackluster effort as a result.