Sunday, June 29, 2008

Yeagley Supporter Betty Ann Gross Rants Against Comanche Critic

It seems that Yeagley and his supporter/frustrated love interest both like to make empty threats of lawsuits.

For the record, truth is an ABSOLUTE defense against libel.

From Bevery Isaac comes this account of Betty Ann Gross's latest tactics, threats of a lawsuit and just plain threats of a very vague kind.

In Isaac's view, Gross comes across as mentally unstable in both her pathological anger and her being utterly dependent on Yeagley, hopelessly in love with a character notorious for his hatred of both Natives and women.


Oh, Oh,

Betty Ann [Gross] is hopping mad, as usual.

On Yeagley's site this morning, she threatened me with a lawsuit for lying about her and Yeagley. Well, I did NOT LIE. Her and Yeagley can say what they want about anyone, but when the same happens to them, she is crying "LAWSUIT."

Her words vebatim "Why don't you get porked by Al Carroll, comanchemoon?" This started when I got thru on his blog and told his readers to go to " and read and don't forget to read the comments."

Apparently she read, and got very angry.....She and Yeagley can say what they will about anyone yet when a person defends themselves, she cries.



I responded with "I never, never tell lies...thats the other difference between breeds and the Real Deal, 4/4 Comanche. Never, Never Lie.

Thank you very much, are you the Moderator now? Figures...You own the Site...Right? Ran off all the others, remember, your David told everyone not to respond to ME, but you're special, right?

Everything I mention is what YOU told me, how would I even know, huh? You can't take it when someone speaks, the go THREATEN THE WIND."

Well I had to leave for the day, so I'm sure she responded, but when I came home, it was all deleted. I copied this much of the conversation. Yep, she is a MAD HATTER.

I am just one of many people who wants Yeagley to quit using the Indian Nations at his whim, then turns on them. She follows him around like a Dog. As strong a woman I thought she was at first, how can she let him lead her around?

We spoke at length about him and his mother and father and she said "He just has a way of saying things, you just have to try to understand him, buy his book and read it."

I told her, "No way would I spend $20 to read him bad mouth the Indian. I read it all over the net and even on his own archives. He is not ashamed of anything he writes. He is in fact proud and if there is another explanation of his writing he does not expand on it."

He is proud of his Rantings against the Nations. She is proud of him and tells him and smooths his feathers everytime he posts anything controversial, no matter what. I lost any little respect I may have had of her at first, but I think I always knew she was feeling me out about the man she truly loves.

She in fact hinted that if it were not for her little girl, she would run away again as she did when she was a wild thang. I only hope she never comes to Oklahoma. I am not afraid of her, I just think she is mental, now thats my own opinion, psychologically speaking, she is one mean woman. He acts so virginal, what a pair...


Bevery continued in later comments describing vague threats from both Gross and Yeagley.



I wonder what he is trying to say between the lines?

Betty Ann Gross already threatened me with a lawsuit. Right there on the blog, of course he deleted it, as well as my responce.

These two can say anything about anyone and Indians, and they want us to "Shut Up" say nothing in response?

Tuesday, June 24, 2008

Did a White Supremacist Intimidate the Oklahoma Historical Society on Comanche Film?

Did a White Supremacist Intimidate the Oklahoma Historical Society on Comanche Film?
by Dr. Al Carroll
Monday Jun 23rd, 2008 9:51 AM

The musical score for an early silent film with Comanche actors is at the center of a tangled legal dispute involving possible threats, theft, libel, charges about Oklahoma Historical Society President Robert Blackburn’s contempt for the Comanche community, notorious white supremacist David Yeagley’s disputed claim of being Comanche, and a possible “million dollar lawsuit.”

Daughter of Dawn

Last year the Oklahoma Historical Society decided to commission a musical score for Daughter of Dawn, a 1920 silent film. The actors are almost all Comanche or Kiowa. Such a film obviously is of great interest to Comanche people. Many of the actors were grandparents or great-grandparents of many Comanche living today.

Brent Michael Davids, a Mohican classical composer with eighteen years of film scoring experience and over two dozen film scores to his credit, was the early favorite to score the film. A number of prominent Comanches, including educators Juanita Pahdopony and Leslie Whitefeather, recommended him. Robert Blackburn, the president of the OHS, praised Davids’s work on the film repeatedly and other employees of the OHS also at first believed Davids would score the film.

Enter White Supremacist David Yeagley

David Yeagley is perhaps the most notorious figure in all of Indian Country, surpassing even Ward Churchill. An outspoken white supremacist who claims to be part Comanche, Yeagley is a proud associate of many extremist groups on the far right. Yeagley is a speaker for the white supremacist conspiracy theorists the John Birch Society. The society is listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center for its hate speech and is best known for claiming fluoridated water and rock music were Communist plots, along with claiming Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy were Communists.

Yeagley also co wrote articles for the anti-Indian group One Nation with Barbara Lindsay, something that Yeagley’s lawyer today denies even though the articles are widely available. Yeagley works with the Neo-Nazi skinhead group Stormfront and other white supremacists like the National Alliance. He welcomed them to his online forum and discussed plans to turn the US into a whites-only nation. Yeagley has also publicly praised other white supremacists such as the Minutemen, Serbian nationalists who committed genocide, and even Hitler.

Other actions by Yeagley have generated controversy in Indian Country. He called the Virginia Tech massacre victims “cowards,” compared Janet Jackson to an ape, wrote a series of articles titled “Niggers in the News” and “The Word Nigger Should Stay,” and frequently claims any who disagree with him are Communists.

One of the earliest, strongest, and most effective critics of Yeagley was Brent Michael Davids. Prominent Comanches had recommended Davids for his talent and experience. His being a critic of Yeagley was just a bonus, since virtually all Comanches hold Yeagley in low regard. (Yeagley ran for tribal office and came in a very distant fourth place out of four, getting the vote of about one percent of registered Comanche voters.)

Yeagley was livid over the choice of Davids to compose the score. The Comanche Nation had previously wanted Davids to compose for them before, for their annual fair. Yeagley called the tribal offices, screaming abuse. Officials in tribal government listened patiently, and then ignored him as they always had.

Among Comanches, Yeagley is regarded by many as a crank that turns up at tribal council, where his speeches are often met with amused laughter. He proposed starting the “first American Indian bank.” The first American Indian bank was begun back in the 1920s. Yeagley gave a speech about “Comanche clans.” The Comanche don’t have clans. He claimed his mother (or by some accounts his stepmother) was the first woman ever elected to the Comanche Business Committee. She ran but was never elected, and Yeagley actually hid in the Comanche courthouse from Comanche women questioning why he lied.

Did Yeagley Use Threats Or Libel?

What happened next is the subject of much debate, and possibly of legal action. According to multiple sources at the McMahon Foundation, Yeagley spoke to two young Comanche girls working in the Comanche Museum gift shop. He demanded they take him to the OHS president, Robert Blackburn. One of the sources described Yeagley as threatening and issuing demands to Blackburn. The source described the closest thing to an “endorsement” either Blackburn or Yeagley could find from Comanches were these two young girls who responded to a request to meet Blackburn.

What we also know is that neither Blackburn nor anyone else at the OHS ever contacted any of the Comanche leadership or asked for their advice or recommendations for someone to score the film. The Comanche tribal offices were never contacted. The Comanche Nation College was never spoken to. The Comanche Film Festival was likewise ignored.

In fact, all of the Comanche leadership who gave an opinion on Yeagley strongly objected, but Blackburn not only ignored them, he was openly contemptuous. A member of the Comanche Nation Constitution Committee who wrote to Blackburn was among the many pointing out Yeagley was a white supremacist and a racist extremist. The objections of the Comanche Language and Cultural Preservation Committee likewise were rejected. Perhaps most bizarrely, Blackburn claimed objecting to a racist who most contend is not Comanche as the composer on a Comanche film was “political” and “irrelevant.” Blackburn also repeatedly refused to tell anyone just who the alleged recommenders for Yeagley actually were.

Later Blackburn would claim in emails that he hired Yeagley “solely because he was Comanche” and that “Comanche and Kiowa tribal representatives” demanded he hire Yeagley. Yet neither Blackburn nor Yeagley have ever publicly named any American Indians who supposedly recommended Yeagley, and the Comanche leadership were never consulted, and ignored when they offered their opinion. Blackburn then went one step further and even threatened a lawsuit if this article were published or the subject written about.

The reason for that threat of a lawsuit may be that, ironically, it was libel coming from Yeagley himself, or perhaps a Yeagley supporter, that caused Blackburn to drop the most likely, experienced, and highly recommended candidate, Davids, in favor of Yeagley. Blackburn has now entirely changed his story, and claims that Davids was dropped because he had no experience scoring films. Yet Davids has extensive experience, over two dozen film scores and eighteen years of experience, while Yeagley is an amateur who had absolutely no experience in film scoring. Blackburn had previously highly praised Davids’ proposal and partial scoring of the film as “a great job” and “highly professional,” indicating he had not only seen it and listened to it, but given it long and serious consideration.

By his newest claim, Blackburn explicitly puts the suspicion on either Yeagley, or a supporter who recommended him, for libel that could prevent the film from being shown with Yeagley’s score. Libel for the purpose of denying someone work could be legally considered a threat, or perhaps even a civil rights violation since the job was denied to an American Indian in favor of a white supremacist. That Yeagley, who as white supremacist is publicly opposed to affirmative action, only received his position (according to Blackburn) because of an affirmative action-like position of Blackburn’s is also ironic.

The question then becomes, was Yeagley the one who libeled Davids with the false claim of him having no experience, in order to score the film? Or did a supporter of Yeagley’s tell the libel to Blackburn? If so, did Yeagley know about the libel from that supporter, or even ask him to say the libel? Or is Blackburn simply not telling the truth now because he is embarrassed about giving into Yeagley, or his believing libel told about Davids that could easily have been checked, and the embarrassment to the Oklahoma Historical Society for ignoring what Comanche leaders wanted done on the film?

Yeagley has a completely different version of how he got to score the film over the objections of numerous prominent Comanche leaders. Yeagley says an unnamed friend tipped him off. Yeagley further makes the unlikely claim that he was chosen because of work he did with a symphony in Europe, and that he did not know of any Natives competing for the film score. Neither Blackburn nor any other account agrees with Yeagley’s claims, or explains why an inexperienced amateur and pariah within the Comanche community like Yeagley was chosen over someone far more experienced and well liked by Comanche leaders like Davids.

Even the reason given by Blackburn for awarding the film score to Yeagley is highly disputed. Many American Indians have long said Yeagley is not even Comanche, including many Comanche. Yeagley himself admitted on his own forum the disputes about his ancestry go back many years, long before he was widely known as a figure on the far right. Blackburn was informed of the lengthy disputes about Yeagley’s claim of being part Comanche at the same time as Comanche leaders wrote to him to object to Yeagley being chosen. Why Blackburn chose to ignore them is still not clear.

The Comanche Museum also has been quite clear about its feelings on the OHS giving money to a white supremacist widely disliked by virtually all Comanches. One source described the Comanche Museum Council explicitly voting against Yeagley as the choice to score the film. Comanche Museum President Dan Bigbee Jr. confirmed that the museum wants nothing to do with the film project or Yeagley.

Every other state and local government agency and Comanche official contacted for this story also confirmed they never recommended Yeagley for the film score. Even other employees and members of the OHS seem to have had no say in why the film score was awarded to a white supremacist with heavily disputed claims of being Comanche. One OHS employee even admitted he did not know if Yeagley was Comanche or not.

Allegations of Stolen Notes and Copyright Violation

The story becomes more sordid because Blackburn had asked Davids in an email if he could take Davids’s notes and proposal on scoring the film. Yeagley, after all, had no experience. Some leading Comanches believe Blackburn wanted to let Yeagley use the notes to help him score the film. It took Yeagley as an amateur over half a year to compose the score, where an experienced professional composer could have done so in less than a third of the time.

Blackburn then seems to have panicked. Davids’ notes were legally protected by copyright. If Blackburn showed the notes to Yeagley, even once, this is a copyright violation. A copyright dispute would affect the film being shown with Yeagley’s score, as well as the sale of any music from either OHS or Yeagley of the film score. But Blackburn ignored or delayed on eight different requests to return the notes, coming from both Davids and his assistant over several months. Several Comanche leaders indicated in their emails they believed Yeagley could have stolen part of the score from Davids, or that Blackburn played a role in possible theft and copyright violation.

In June, Blackburn completely changed his story and claims to have never even seen or heard any of Davids’s work on the film. Suddenly Blackburn now falsely claims that Davids had sent unsolicited work (false), that the work came multiple times (it was a single proposal), that others were part of the decision (though he refused to name them), and that never cared if Yeagley was Comanche (several of Blackburn’s own earlier emails say the opposite). He even claimed to have thrown Davids’s notes and partial score in the trash, unseen and unheard. Yet he also claimed in the same email both that he had not listened to Davids’s work on the score, and that he did not like Davids’s work.

Blackburn’s own earlier emails to Davids may wind up being the smoking gun in the legal disputes over the film score. The emails clearly show Blackburn had earlier lavishly praised Davids’s work, indicting he had seen the notes and listened to the work. Blackburn even described in his emails having the folder and CD of Davids’s partial score ready to be mailed back, but then wrote three emails trying to delay legal action from Davids, making false promises of his intent to return the material “soon.” Yet Blackburn also made contradictory promises of both keeping the material confidential, yet wanting to keep it.

The story took a further bizarre turn when Yeagley lavishly praised Comanche Nation President Wallace Coffey. Yeagley had earlier been very bitter in his criticism of Coffey after the Comanche President publicly praised Rudy Youngblood, the Comanche actor in the Mel Gibson film Apocalypto. Yeagley was upset because he was convinced Youngblood was part Black. Some of Yeagley’s followers even issued death threats to Youngblood’s family.

Several have cynically suggested that Yeagley wants the Comanche Nation to pay him for his work on the film. But the chances of Yeagley getting funds from the tribal government that so strongly opposes him are remote. One of the sources in tribal government contacted for this story even wants Yeagley disenrolled, both for this dispute and for Yeagley’s role in a white supremacist film in Europe, Prisoners of the Past.

Daughter of Dawn may have trouble getting shown with Yeagley’s score, given the lawsuits it likely faces. The same is true of any sale of recordings of Yeagley’s score by either Yeagley or the OHS. Davids has spoken of filing a “million dollar lawsuit” against both Blackburn and Yeagley. However, the film is in the public domain and there is no reason other composers, ones whose ancestry is not in dispute and whose extreme politics and racism are not so objected to, could not compose a score, one from an actual professional. Ironically, Yeagley’s effort to promote himself and get revenge on his most successful critic may backfire. Yeagley’s sole Comanche supporter to ever be at his online forum, Beverly Isaac, has also issued a call for Yeagley to be disenrolled.

Complaints about the open contempt with which Blackburn and the Oklahoma Historical Society treated Comanche leaders in this episode may damage relations between Comanches and the OHS. But that may not be much of a change after all. As one Comanche leader noted, “Sad to say the system at Oklahoma [Historical Society] is still closed to Indians.”

Dr. Al Carroll

Saturday, June 21, 2008

Yeagley's Hatred of Comanche Women

A portion of an article from


Yeagley slams Comanche women, trying to appease his past mistakes
from the Bad Eagle blog

This week, it seems Yeagley is still at it. You know, “it.” Misogyny. Misogyny seeps into most anything Yeagley blogs, but this time it’s a backhanded slap at the Comanche women. In one breath, Yeagley is trying to commend Wallace Coffey for his goodwill toward others as a virtue to which Yeagley himself supposedly aspires. But in the same breath, Yeagley turns around and baits the Comanche women into a potential argument about why the Comanche Nation is so angry and divisive. Interesting that Yeagley’s admiration for Coffey does not extend to the Comanche women. It’s as if he has not learned anything from Coffey at all. No surprise there, I’m a skeptic given Yeagley’s never-ending white supremacy rants and his voiced desire for Mexican immigrants to be left dead in the desert rather than welcomed into Indian country. That’s not very “Wallace Coffey” of Yeagley, is it? Nope, it’s not.

“I cannot describe the drama of a Comanche election... the content is unspeakable. The things that the opposition is willing to put in print about a candidate is incredible, literally. Much of it simply cannot be believed, or trusted, no matter who the source is... usually a female elder” (June 2008).

Actually, much of the negative content in the last Comanche election stemmed from Yeagley’s own failed run for office, and being confronted outside the building by many Comanche women upset about his fabrications. Yeagley was trying to claim family accolades he never earned and claim a Comanche history that never actually occurred. According to all reports except for Yeagley’s own revisionist retelling, the women correcting him startled him enough that he was noticeably unnerved and retreated back into the building. Safe, inside — but doubtful of his former public claims — and rightfully so. He had publicly spread misinformation and falsified his lineage, and was publicly reprimanded for it.

“Now, Wallace Coffey was imminently qualified... He is nationally known in a number of capacities, particularly education, but also universally beloved as a pow-wow Master of Ceremonies (MC)... Wallace doesn't get mad at people... I don't get the impression it's ever with malice or vengeance. Only when I began to accept this way within myself, did I begin to notice it, and appreciate it, in Wallace” (June 2008).

Wallace Coffey is a generous person, even to non-Comanches. When my "Powwow Symphony" was being performed yet again, this time by the New Mexico Symphony Orchestra, Coffey was willing to step into the MC’s role when beloved MC Sammy Tonkei took ill. My thanks to Wallace for his generous offer though a scheduling conflict led to a third performer into the MC's role.

However, the second part of Yeagley’s claim above is suspect. As already pointed out, Yeagley’s newly-asserted benevolence does not extend to Comanche women, and there is an ulterior, possibly selfish, motive for Yeagley to praise Wallace Coffey at this particular moment in time. Yes, I’m a true skeptic searching for the truth, and I see an interesting and yet unexplored back story emerging in Yeagley’s recent assertions. Simply connecting the dots.

“If one loves the people, one accepts this horrid behavior from the people... It is the misapplication of the authority of our women elders" (June 2008).

What do we make of Yeagley’s comment above? Not many ways to take the comment, it’s denigrating Comanche elders and gnashing teeth over the old matriarchal system of Comanche life. Yeagley’s new vision for Comanche governance would be placing the males in authority positions, males such as Yeagley himself holding office. I am totally glad that the misogynist, backward ways of the neocon are finally losing ground, even in the bought corporate media that neocons like Murdock primarily created. America is becoming a bit more cosmopolitan, more interracial, more open and freethinking, slowly but surely. Still a long way to go, but the move toward tolerance and equity won’t be stopped. Yes we can.

Monday, June 16, 2008

Comanche Museum Wants Nothing to Do With Yeagley or "Daughter of Dawn"

While Yeagley seems to be desperately trying to use a film project he bullied (and possibly libeled) his way onto to get recognition from actual Comanches...

It's just not working. The Comanche leadership wants nothing to do with him. It's not just his leading role in a white supremacist documentary in Europe. It's not just his role in threats against Rudy Youngblood and his family, when Youngblood was embraced by Comanches for his accomplishments.

No, Yeagley's "scoring" of the film "Daughter of Dawn" has done nothing except get Comanches to distance themselves from that film:

Read it and weep, Yeagley.



As Chair of the Comanche National Museum Board I can tell you the board has chosen not to be involved with this project.

Dan Bigbee Jr.

Monday, June 02, 2008

Yeagley's Sugar Mama: The Obsessed Betty Ann Gross

From a former member of, once Yeagley's SOLE Comanche member Beverly Isaac (Comanchemoon), comes this account of the sad and strange relationship between David Yeagley and Betty Ann Gross.

Basically, Gross gives Yeagley money from the loans on an insurance settlement she's expecting. She does this because she's sad, lonely, and angry after the wrongful death of her husband, and she is in love with him.

Yeagley, taking advantage of her weakness and pain and exploiting it to lash out at those he hates or those who dare criticize him, gives her full reign to attack people at his forum, especially Blacks.


No Comanche around here thinks very much of Yeagley, he really does not fit in at all. He is really nervy and thinks he is above us all. He has maybe one follower and that is Quannah Tachawwicka, the man that nominated him...

His best friend on the net is Betty Ann Gross. She told him to ban me and he listened to her. She told him I was going to ruin it for his campaign. She cursed me and pushed me until I retaliated and he banned me but not her. That is their tactic.

She used to call me at least once a week. She is in love with him, and thought I knew him personally. She just wanted to know what he was doing, what he looked like, how tall was he, etc.

She told me that when he didn't want a person on his site that he asked her to go after them until they left, mainly black people. Then she did the same thing to me.

She takes up for him like he is a baby, he is a weakling.

He uses her, she has full reign to be dirty and nasty while others have to go by the rules.

She finances him also. She told me that she bought him furniture and paid his plane ticket for him to speak at Rapid City on some project she was doing for the Homeless Sioux. She was so excited that he was coming to see her.

She told me she was expecting a ll million dollar lawsuit for wrongful death of her husband, so I think he is paid and bought by her. She and he can get rid of
anyone they please, or [that] displeases them.

Anyway that is the saga of Badeagle and the Comanche People. He is not very well liked by anyone around here [the Comanche Nation] and I'm sure it will not likely change. But he is a trickster alright.

Beverly Isaac,

Sunday, June 01, 2008

Portillo Family Member Calls Yeagley "Such a Liar"

From Beverly Isaac, leaving comments over at Brent Michael David's, comes this account of a discussion she had with a member of the family Yeagley claims to be part of, the Portillos. Norma Portillo was the woman Yeagley claims was his mother (the same one Yeagley falsely claimed had been elected to the Comanche Business Committee.)

By many accounts, Yeagley was adopted into the Portillo family, and it's always been of intense interest that not a single one of the family has ever defended Yeagley, not even to say that he is related to them by blood and not adopted.

What Yeagley has specifically lied about (besides his own alleged family) is not entirely clear yet. But one thing is:

Yeagley is scared to death of what the people he claims are his blood will say, banning Bevery Isaac from his little white supremacy site simply for talking and being friendly to the Portillos.


I met a lady last Christmas who's maiden name was Portillo. When I asked her if she knew Yeagley, she said, "Yes, and he is such a liar."

She can't stand the stories he's made up of the family. She and her husband recently moved here from California. She was helping us decorate for the Elders Christmas Dinner and was going to Volunteer at the Hospital, but got sick and then she was moving into a new house. So we lost contact, I recently called her to ask if she was OK and settled in. She was happy to hear from me, she said she didn't have anyone around she knew.

I am pretty sure there will be no Picnic with her and Yeagley together. She said her family knew her Uncle George Portillo very well, yet she can't stand Yeagley and his lies about the family.

She is very knowledgeable about her Uncle George. As soon as I know she has her computer set up, I will have to make sure she gets this information.

When I told Yeagley about his cousin Lee Mowry, he immediately told me not to discuss him with her, he said, "I know my family." Soon thereafter I think is when he and Betty Ann started giving me a hard time on his site. I was eventually denied access to commenting and banned. Yes, I think Yeagley has a lot to hide. I can't wait until I get in contact with Lee Mowry again. Her mothers' name is Mary Etta, she was at the time I met them 90 years old.

I also find it strange, that when Thomas Kavanagh visited the Comanche Nation, not too long ago that Yeagley did not show up, since he mentioned him here. He was there for a question and answer session and had a meal with us, approximately 100 people or more were there to honor him, I got my book signed by Kavanagh THE COMANCHES A HISTORY, 1706-1875. Yeagley must be ashamed of answers he would have given.


I find that last part strange as well. I've met Thomas Kavanagh in person. He helped arrange for me to look at Indiana University's archives on Native veterans of World War I for my dissertation, which eventually became my first book, Medicine Bags and Dog Tags.

Like Beverly, I think Yeagley feared being exposed by Kavanagh as (even more) ignorant than he already has been shown to be.